POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[Kearn]

i'd say it's more so about the history of racism rather than modern-day racism that put us where we are today. not that racism doesn't still affect people's lives

then here is a question: why has the status of the family unit in black communities continued to decline even after the civil rights act and the elimination of most societal racism?

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/true-black-tragedy-illegitimacy-rate-nearly-75

one would think that the elimination of all legally enforced barriers to blacks and the slow accumulation of more and more federal programs to aid the impoverished in their communities would reverse the trend, but it is fairly obvious from that article it is getting much worse

https://www.theatlantic.com/lovees/archive/2013/06/understanding-out-of-wedlock-births-in-black-america/277084/

here is another article if you dislike cns or walter williams talking about his own community

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

and a wikipedia article

surely you realize you're describing the exact same problem as racial profiling but just with the words switched around a bit

the difference is that instead of "don't stop minorities so much" i prefer "stop whites/asians/whoever else more" because the presented solution almost always seems to be less enforcement of the law

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[SeventhSandwich]

then here is a question: why has the status of the family unit in black communities continued to decline even after the civil rights act and the elimination of most societal racism?

lingering discrimination, cyclical poverty, drug laws, etc

obviously a stuffty family is a foundational issue, but there are other problems beneath that. black people are not just genetically-coded to have deadbeat dads. you see similar issues in poor white communities too.

[Kearn]

lingering discrimination

i don't get this argument. statistically the black family was far stronger and more coherent while they were being discriminated against pre-civil rights act. if you look at the stats on the wikipedia page i linked you can see the illegitimacy rate explodes within a few years of the CRA and the marriage rate goes south

[otto-san]

then here is a question: why has the status of the family unit in black communities continued to decline even after the civil rights act and the elimination of most societal racism?

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/walter-e-williams/true-black-tragedy-illegitimacy-rate-nearly-75

one would think that the elimination of all legally enforced barriers to blacks and the slow accumulation of more and more federal programs to aid the impoverished in their communities would reverse the trend, but it is fairly obvious from that article it is getting much worse

the laws opened up opportunities that were previously impossible, but that doesn't mean it's going to fix the problem that quickly. remember, this all really happened pretty recently in the grand scheme of things, there's practically only been one generation since black individuals reached practically full de jure equality. behind that are many more generations of forced poverty, illiteracy, stratification, and ostracization that current generations are all carrying on their backs. even with the legal landscape becoming more favorable, it still takes a lot of time and investment to heal that, and a lot of communities still have stuffty schools and stuffty economies that make it very difficult for individuals to take advantage of the opportunities that are now open to them. social safety nets provide short-term relief that lets these families breathe, but they don't heal the fundamental problems that put people in these positions in the first place.

[Nonnel]

maybe we should police those areas more

that's a step in the right direction. next we ought to revamp inner city education since it's obviously not working very well. train teachers to deal with different situations unique to those areas and look into more effective ways of teaching people who don't want to be taught.

poverty and lack of education are the big players here. saying "they should pull themselves out of poverty" comes across as particularly tone-deaf. They're poor and uneducated. Not only do they have few opportunities, they don't have the education to realize how to fix their situation. Lack of money means a lack of education, which means a lack of money. And it doesn't help that so many of them put all their skills into the off-chance that they become a major league basketball player.

[Karl Marx]

It's weird, it seems like in almost every case that, rather than being uninformed on issues like these, conservatives are usually misinformed. They see the horrible side effects of cyclical poverty and targeted discrimination and look to other conservatives for answers, who respond only with some tribal sludge about it being a cultural and / or genetic problem.

They eat this up, obviously, because it's much easier to believe that it's a problem with the race as a whole than it is to face the fact that the conservative identity they hold so dear is directly responsible for generations of African-american suffering.

[Red Spy]

They eat this up, obviously, because it's much easier to believe that it's a problem with the race as a whole than it is to face the fact that the conservative identity they hold so dear is directly responsible for generations of African-american suffering.

you know the cities super high in poverty are usually run by dems and have been for like 40 years right

[Karl Marx]

you know the cities super high in poverty are usually run by dems and have been for like 40 years right

The Democratic party is comprised entirely of conservatives and neo-liberals. Regardless, it's conservative grime like Reaganomics and the war on drugs that created the issue, liberal inaction only perpetuates it.

[HellHound]

haha you say reaganomics is bad but what about the millions of peasants?

[Conan]

so we shouldn't actually try to do anything at all then?

hyeah screw the poor

in all seriousness though its just me pointing out its not as easy as assigning more police officers to such areas. and it wouldnt work well in the very short term since it would probably flare up conflict between the police and the community and that can end up spiraling out of control

[SeventhSandwich]

if you look at the stats on the wikipedia page i linked you can see the illegitimacy rate explodes within a few years of the CRA and the marriage rate goes south

Illegitimacy rates exploded for the entire country after the CRA. This is a classic case of correlation vs. causation.

[beachbum111111]

It's weird, it seems like in almost every case that, rather than being uninformed on issues like these, conservatives are usually misinformed. They see the horrible side effects of cyclical poverty and targeted discrimination and look to other conservatives for answers, who respond only with some tribal sludge about it being a cultural and / or genetic problem.

Kimon do you really think anyone is going to take the handicap with the name "Karl Marx" seriously?

[Karl Marx]

Kimon do you really think anyone is going to take the handicap with the name "Karl Marx" seriously?

[Red Spy]

The Democratic party is comprised entirely of conservatives and neo-liberals. Regardless, it's conservative grime like Reaganomics and the war on drugs that created the issue, liberal inaction only perpetuates it.

definitely not by extremely leftist policies created by lbj that destroyed flourishing cities like detroit. blame it on the president that came 20 years later

[Nonnel]

definitely not by extremely leftist policies created by lbj that destroyed flourishing cities like detroit. blame it on the president that came 20 years later

it failed because it was cut short by Nixon (Republican) and the cities suddenly had massive projects they couldn't afford