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[Red Spy]

that is literally the entire concept behind taxes

unless you're talking about welfare, straight taxes aren't the same thing as wealth distribution

Are you rich? Why are you taking this as a sleight against you?

far from it but i'm making an example

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[Deus Ex]

that is literally the entire concept behind taxes

No its not? Taxes are meant to pay for the government that helps keep things running on a day to day basis? Social programs are tied into that sure, but that doesn't mean they need MORE taxes for MORE social programs. The forget

[HellHound]

lol... if poor people want money so much why don't they get a job and make some? :100: :joy: :ok_hand:

[TristanLuigi]

No its not? Taxes are meant to pay for the government that helps keep things running on a day to day basis? Social programs are tied into that sure, but that doesn't mean they need MORE taxes for MORE social programs. The forget

his argument against progressive taxation seems to be "well that's equivalent to be stealing your car"

if taxes are theft like he says he is, why is it only progressive taxation that's the problem?

[IkeTheGeneric]

far from it but i'm making an example

Your example doesn't mean anything, nor is it relevant.


Also, proportional tax rates only make sense. Maybe not aggressively scaled like whatever people were suggesting, but a proportional tax rate's far better than cutting public utilities for extra pennies, or imposing taxes on the middle class who really can't support more taxes.

Unless you have some legendary economical plan that you think is going to revolutionize our national debt, there's really no other way to conjure up money that doesn't actually harm our economy in the long run.

[Nonnel]

No its not? Taxes are meant to pay for the government that helps keep things running on a day to day basis? Social programs are tied into that sure, but that doesn't mean they need MORE taxes for MORE social programs. The forget

what he said implied that taxes are not taken for people who can better utilize it. when actually that's the entire point.

wealth distribution via welfare is only a small part of this, but the entire point of taxes is that it enables the government to operate and generally better peoples' lives.

[LeisureSuit912]

his argument against progressive taxation seems to be "well that's equivalent to be stealing your car"

if taxes are theft like he says he is, why is it only progressive taxation that's the problem?

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[TristanLuigi]

what he said implied that taxes are not taken for people who can better utilize it. when actually that's the entire point.

wealth distribution via welfare is only a small part of this, but the entire point of taxes is that it enables the government to operate and generally better peoples' lives.

and also gives them money to acquire oil spread freedom around the world

[Deus Ex]

his argument against progressive taxation seems to be "well that's equivalent to be stealing your car"

if taxes are theft like he says he is, why is it only progressive taxation that's the problem?

Because you're taking more from somebody simply because they have more
Proportional taxing is kind of dumb
There should be a flat rate for everyone, except the poorest of poor who genuinely cannot spare that tax and need that extra money to survive
The rich will, by virtue of being rich, have to give more since 10% of 1,000,000,000 is more than 10% of 150,000,000

[LeisureSuit912]

and also gives them money to acquire oil spread freedom around the world

Spreadin Freedom

[Red Spy]

and also gives them money to acquire oil spread freedom around the world

were you even old enough to remember iraqi freedom

[IkeTheGeneric]

Also a point, if we could redistribute capital that will never be introduced into the economy in the first place into the poorest Americans through welfare, on paper, they would begin maintaining a lifestyle and thus, redistribute wealth through the economy. This is how it is supposed to ideally work, taxing the rich without interfering with their lifestyle while still redistributing capital through the economy.

The problem isn't that we're "Stealing" from the rich, that's completely insane. The problem comes down to execution, and we really haven't had anyone to steer this economic model because it just isn't a popular idea. It'd take a lot of work to get right, and the goal right now is to maintain status quo for as long as possible until there's an unsolvable issue.

[LeisureSuit912]

were you even old enough to remember iraqi freedom

Heh

[TristanLuigi]

Because you're taking more from somebody simply because they have more
Proportional taxing is kind of dumb
There should be a flat rate for everyone, except the poorest of poor who genuinely cannot spare that tax and need that extra money to survive
The rich will, by virtue of being rich, have to give more since 10% of 1,000,000,000 is more than 10% of 150,000,000

But there's still a huge difference proportionally. If Bill Gates lost 20% of his net worth right now, he could still live very comfortably, and probably wouldn't impact his life all that much. If a poor person loses 20% of their net worth, they're forgeted.

Or put another way: going from 10 million dollars to 1 million will impact your living standards far less than going from 10,000 to 1,000, even though proportionally it's the same.

[Deus Ex]

But there's still a huge difference proportionally. If Bill Gates lost 20% of his net worth right now, he could still live very comfortably, and probably wouldn't impact his life all that much. If a poor person loses 20% of their net worth, they're forgeted.

Or put another way: going from 10 million dollars to 1 million will impact your living standards far less than going from 10,000 to 1,000, even though proportionally it's the same.

Alright, but that doesn't mean it's fair to just tax people cause they have more money. That's dumb. Let them have the option to do so as they wish.