POLITICS & DONALD Annoying Orange MEGATHREAD

[otto-san]

First case is about non us citizens detained by the us get habeas corpus
Second is about how the us can detain enemy combatants but if they are us citizens, they still have the right to due process
Third is about the us court system can decide if non-us citizens in gitmo were wrongfully imprisoned

I don't see how these cases relate to a muslim ban or even immigration for that matter.

they're only tangentially related on the surface, but if the point of a muslim ban is to forbid terrorists from entering the US, then those cases could be viable precedent to say that they would need definitive proof of malintent in order to prohibit entry, and that it would need to be presented in a trial of the same quality of a US citizen with full constitutional rights

of course, in doing this, they would also probably have to establish that they have a right to immigrate in the first place, which i suppose is an unlikely situation

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[IkeTheGeneric]

Nothing said in this thread matters but does that mean we should just stop discussing and debating?

If this is how you debate and discuss, then yes. It's an endless back-and-forth thing where no side is capable of agreeing to disagree. On the left side you have indignant self-righteousness and on the right side you have inflammatory, reactionary combativeness. I've grown to like the memes and jokes more than the political discussions because at least there's something positive there, rather than borderline autistic ranting about the enemy that dared to disagree with you.

[extremely extreme]

they're only tangentially related on the surface, but if the point of a muslim ban is to forbid terrorists from entering the US, then those cases could be viable precedent to say that they would need definitive proof of malintent in order to prohibit entry, and that it would need to be presented in a trial of the same quality of a US citizen with full constitutional rights

of course, in doing this, they would also probably have to establish that they have a right to immigrate in the first place, which i suppose is an unlikely situation

However, in those cases, a trial in a US court was only given to at the most a non-US citizen in Guantanamo bay. If someone simply tried to immigrate to the US, they wouldn't get any of those rights because they are in no way related to the US.

I've grown to like the memes and jokes more than the political discussions because at least there's something positive there, rather than borderline autistic ranting about the enemy that dared to disagree with you.

It's literally a world politics thread, it's meant to be full of autistic ranting and political discussion because that's what world politics is. If you don't like the discussion of politics in an autistic manner then why in the world did you think you would enjoy the content in this thread?

[Whackin]

i agree with extremely extreme

[beachbum111111]

I want to get an external hard drive. Are Seagate's good or stuff?

[Insert Name Here²]

I want to get an external hard drive. Are Seagate's good or stuff?

Wrong thread, but they're good

[beachbum111111]

loving stuff all these megathreads look the same to me

[Master Matthew²]

loving stuff all these megathreads look the same to me

Speaking of which when are we making a megathread megathread?

[SetGaming]

Speaking of which when are we making a megathread megathread?

i already made it like two years ago

https://forum.blockland.us/index.php?topic=274091.0

[otto-san]

However, in those cases, a trial in a US court was only given to at the most a non-US citizen in Guantanamo bay. If someone simply tried to immigrate to the US, they wouldn't get any of those rights because they are in no way related to the US.

yeah, there would have to be other precedent for them to use in order to connect immigration to those cases. it's much more likely that an argument based on concerns of religious freedoms would be compelling in court. it's not too strange of an idea to say that someone in court may successfully argue that denying entry based on religion affects the US muslim population as a whole, or that such a categorical ban would not pass the lemon test, which would avoid the question of constitutional rights applying to foreign immigrants

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It's likely going to be Donald's "affected country ban" for immigration than a Muslim ban

[beachbum111111]

This is real https://twitter.com/RussianEmbassy/status/818439246214262784

[Drydess]

holy stuff
russia just tweeted out a hate symbol

[Nonnel]

jesus forget
memes have gone too far now. we have to stop them before they envelop us.

[beachbum111111]

holy stuff
russia just tweeted out a hate symbol

loving green frogs, Wendy's is in on this too