Does more affordable college = more degrees = less value?

[KickFlow]

I've gotten numerous scholarships and a grant but I still cannot pay for the $80,000 education.

Why do people get stuff they can't afford? Anyway I'm kind of going offtopic here. I read the first part of the title and went on about that. More affordable colleges would mean the standards of getting in would go way higher up.

So, more affordable colleges =/= more degrees

More affordable colleges =

we have a more highly educated society, with more big thinkers and more visionaries regardless of whether or not they have degrees.

kickflow, what are you planning to be when you grow up?

Either continue my career in the post office, or become an electrician. Why?

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[Jairo]

Either continue my career in the post office, or become an electrician. Why?

you seem to be very adamantly against college, so I was under the impression you preferred trade schools

[KickFlow]

you seem to be very adamantly against college, so I was under the impression you preferred trade schools

I'm not against college do whatever the hell you want. I'm just not going to waste my money on it myself. All I hear is people complaining about student loans. The post office pays extremely well & I don't need a college education to work there.

For an electrician, you do need to go to a trade school, yes.

[SlayerZ99]

Just a note: The girl who I'm arguing with is in a cosmetology course at a trade high school and her sister is a cosmetologist and her mother too and her mom own a salon

I told her maybe if she was more educated and persued a higher education she wouldn't be so ignorant on the subject

[ShadowsfeaR]

Such a promising career. KickFlow, I hope you realize that no one can really "work their ass off" to make college tuition anymore. When my dad was on his own at 18, college tuition was proportionally reachable with the jobs he could take. He was able to do that. But now, do you really think that someone hitting minimum wage can just drop $10-30k for 4 years? It's just unfeasable. Best bet is that your parents have enough money saved for you. Trade school is also a great alternative (that I'll probably pursue as well).

[sir dooble]

US student loans sound scary from what I hear.

UK ones are pretty comforting.

[KickFlow]

Just a note: The girl who I'm arguing with is in a cosmetology course at a trade high school and her sister is a cosmetologist and her mother too and her mom own a salon

I told her maybe if she was more educated and persued a higher education she wouldn't be so ignorant on the subject

You don't need to go to college to learn about this subject lol. Her mom was educated enough to own her own salon. She used her high school education and pursued, not persued, a trade school, and she now owns her own business.

Such a promising career. KickFlow, I hope you realize that no one can really "work their ass off" to make college tuition anymore. When my dad was on his own at 18, college tuition was proportionally reachable with the jobs he could take. He was able to do that. But now, do you really think that someone hitting minimum wage can just drop $10-30k for 4 years? It's just unfeasable. Best bet is that your parents have enough money saved for you. Trade school is also a great alternative (that I'll probably pursue as well).

I'm almost getting double the minimum wage and I have no college education. I also barely made it past high school lol.

[Muzzles56]

US student loans sound scary.

UK ones are pretty comforting.

Aren't England's fees like, 2x the price of Northern Ireland's? Or more?

[sir dooble]

Aren't England's fees like, 2x the price of Northern Ireland's? Or more?

£9k a year cap, for tuition alone. (Mine is 7.5k in Wales, as an English born student)

But whatever the value, you shouldn't worry about it.
The way you pay back the loans means you should, provided you're not loving up your finances in other areas, have no issue with paying them back over time.
And if you don't earn enough (approx £21k pa), then you don't pay anything back at all.

You shouldn't be bankrupted by student loans, or ever find yourself with not enough money to live on because of them.

[SlayerZ99]

You don't need to go to college to learn about this subject lol. Her mom was educated enough to own her own salon. She used her high school education and pursued, not persued, a trade school, and she now owns her own business.
I'm almost getting double the minimum wage and I have no college education. I also barely made it past high school lol.

sorry again I'm on mobile

Anyways I said more educated in general oo because she's not too informed about the subject
Her mom also went to UMass for business along with being certified in cosmetology

[SWAT One]

I disagree.  It's also based on the type of degree.  A more than decent volume of students are getting degrees in sociology, gender studies, and humanities.  There is such a limited number of jobs available from these, and so many people studying.

And I also disagree with you, KickFlow.  You seem to be living in a bubble, your perception shaped by one or a few that just got lucky.  While this isn't always the case, a great deal of lower class citizens are some of the hardest working in the country who work full time or well over full time just to scrape by.  Additionally, with all that time spent, it leaves little or no time for raising a family or school, sometimes removing the possibility altogether.  Let's just run a scenario:  Supposing you are 18 (if not already), your parents turn you out of the house as they are legally allowed to do so.  You have everything you have bought yourself and can carry and any job you may have if your parents were not involved in helping you get it.  For the sake of simulating the struggle you glorify, you cannot stay at a friend's house.  How do you proceede?

[KickFlow]

sorry again I'm on mobile

I know I'm teasing lol.

Her mom also went to UMass for business along with being certified in cosmetology

So she worked her ass off to own a business. Learned how to do her job, then learned how to make a business out of it, sounds like.

[KickFlow]

How do you proceede?

Continue to work my job, and rent out an apartment until I can afford my own house and it's bills.

[SlayerZ99]

I know I'm teasing lol.
So she worked her ass off to own a business. Learned how to do her job, then learned how to make a business out of it, sounds like.

correct but what you're saying is that because you want more affordable education = laziness?

someone else gave there two cents and said that they worked full.time and got there degree even though it took 10 years (it was an English degree by the way). All I know is I don't wanna spend 20 years getting a doctorate in physical therapy

[Cappytaino]

I don't think it makes a degree inherently less valuable provided the difficulty of the coursework remains equal or becomes  greater to what it is currently. I've been under the impression that college matters because it's an investment of time and effort, not necessarily a pay to win thing.