Does more affordable college = more degrees = less value?

[Lord Tony®]

got fired from Walmart.

I quit walmart. I have too much self respect to allow myself to keep working there.

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[Lord Tony®]

People seem to forget that the industry of yester-year and the industry of today are two entirely separate things, and thanks to the market being flooded with terrible games and publishing costs going through the roof, it's impossible to do what studios like id or Bungie did.

The industry of yester-year and today has never stopped a massive flood of stuff games, it's going to happen no matter what.

Videogame companies can self publish, that's what most indies do.

[Daswiruch]

There's more, and always will be more, general programmers than games programmers.

that's what he was saying

[McJob]

Um, the market is still being flooded by terrible games and now it's even easier to release stuff games than it was before.

Have you seen the stuff games that are getting pumped out from Steam Greenlight?

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT YOU TWAT.

Let's focus specifically on the 90s, where both id and Bungie were born into greatness. With no digital distribution, game developers had to publish their games either on disk or cartridge, which was an expensive process and so there were far less people doing it. There was also great segregation between budget/crappy titles and AAA gems, because sales weren't as necessary in the earlier market and so prices where given a nice big gap.

It was harder to start, but easier to finish since you were more likely to get profit with the smaller market share of those days. Now it's easier to start, but harder to finish, since most games don't get enough marketing and can't drum up the necessary sales to both pay off development and fund the future.

[Lord Tony®]

THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT YOU TWAT.

I edited my post because I read what you said wrong.

[Jairo]

People seem to forget that the big name video game companies we know today started off in some guy's basement and that guy had little to no knowledge for it or a degree to show for it.

didn't gabe newell go to harvard and then leave microsoft to found valve?

he might've dropped out like zuckerberg or gates but he still attended university to get some kind of formal education

[McJob]

Videogame companies can self publish, that's what most indies do.

As I said, it's now an almost insurmountable challenge to get noticed and get profit. The amount of available market share is relatively tiny compared to where it was in the past, so instead of seeing a small number of companies gain great success, we'll see a large amount of companies amass only tiny amounts of success.

You cannot do what was done in the past. That's not how things work any more.

[Lord Tony®]

What's really killing the gaming industry is Call of Duty and certain youtubers.


Call of Duty has set a specific standard of releasing games annually in time spans of 6 months to a year. The average lower-end studio can't keep up with that stuff. Only really big named studios can keep up with that stuff like Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed or a lesser extent of TT Games with their lego stuff (only because lego stuff is easier to make graphically). It's mostly recycled assets allowing them to keep going and going.

People get bored of a game within months anyways. If the sequel takes too long to release the fans lose interest, they want a sequel as soon as possible. By releasing the sequel around the time it takes them to eventually get bored of the game these fans will run out and buy the new game like that.


Then you got people like PewDiePie who is charging game developers 50,000 dollars just to play their game. Let's play use to be known as fun entertainment of watching some guy play a game. Now these high end let's players are charging developers up the ass to play their games now. Let's play is no longer about fun entertainment and free publicity for games anymore.

[kahnuu]

it's fascinating that you, a straight white dude living in a first-world country, are saying this
I bet you even grew up in a middle class family

''you cis white privileged male''

shut uuuup omg

[e-maxx]

''you cis white privileged male''

shut uuuup omg

he does have a point doe

What's really killing the gaming industry is Call of Duty and certain youtubers.


Call of Duty has set a specific standard of releasing games annually in time spans of 6 months to a year. The average lower-end studio can't keep up with that stuff. Only really big named studios can keep up with that stuff like Ubisoft with Assassin's Creed or a lesser extent of TT Games with their lego stuff (only because lego stuff is easier to make graphically). It's mostly recycled assets allowing them to keep going and going.

People get bored of a game within months anyways. If the sequel takes too long to release the fans lose interest, they want a sequel as soon as possible. By releasing the sequel around the time it takes them to eventually get bored of the game these fans will run out and buy the new game like that.


Then you got people like PewDiePie who is charging game developers 50,000 dollars just to play their game. Let's play use to be known as fun entertainment of watching some guy play a game. Now these high end let's players are charging developers up the ass to play their games now. Let's play is no longer about fun entertainment and free publicity for games anymore.

???

and the reddit link in the picture
https://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/3kefgi/asked_to_pay_22000_by_popular_youtuber_for_our/
stop pulling stuff out of your ass please

[McJob]

Vivendi, the guys who owned Activision-Blizzard and have since sold them to an unnamed financial company, is currently attempting a hostile takeover of Ubisoft after they successfully purchase Gamelot (which is owned by the brother of Ubisoft's CEO, who is also second-in-command). Activision itself just closed the deal and bought King.com, and they bought MLG a while back.

AAA is business, and it's existed a long time before and it'll exist a long time after. Activision was once the offshoot of disgrunted Atari employees who wanted to be credited for working on their games.

If you want to make games in your garage, I totally dig it, but don't assume you're going to be a success or be able to financially support yourself. This is one of the most complicated and rapidly evolving markets in the world, and contrary to popular belief it is entirely profit-driven.

[Lord Tony®]

His price varies by game.

Smaller games have to pay about 22,000 bigger games pay more.

He shouldn't be charging anything anyways.

[McJob]

He shouldn't be charging anything anyways.

Pewdiepie doesn't have enough time in a day to play and promote every game. If it's true that he's asking for money to review games, then that means he's allowing developers to influence what his next 25 million video will be (and potentially 25 million sales) by paying him for the commercial space. His channel is essentially a glorified version of the commercial breaks you get between shows on TV.

Does it feel like a scumbag move? Sure. But this is just a business evolution that was bound to happen. Product marketing teams pay a lot to get their ads in all kinds of shows and movies for the publicity. It was only a matter of time before "free" online video would be hit as well.

[Lord Tony®]

Potentially you could better yourself in videogame developing with a degree, It's just not mandatory.

[Taciturn]

I'm sad that I didn't see this earlier but I'm at work.

I actually agree with this girl. Unless you're disabled you can get into the military. And if you really don't want to serve than you just need to do better in school so the college pays for you.

As somebody who's going to have to pay for every penny I still don't think that I ought to get cheaper or free college, and neither should anybody else. The more dollars exist the less they're worth. The more degrees we give out the less they're worth.

EDIT: it's less black and white than I made it sound like I believe it is. Where you got the degree from matters a lot so let me just do a 180 on that last pargraph.