Author Topic: Real Talk: What should the world do about terrorism (CIA, etc.)? [Organized OP]  (Read 44006 times)

So two wrongs make a right

Quit trying to trap people into dichotomies so you can drop this stuffty line. There is a real world application for the death penalty and this cheeseball line from a 1730's poem has no bearing on anything. If a man breaks into your home and starts trying to stab your daughter and you shoot him in the head, is that an example of "two wrongs"? If you capture a maniac who shows a clear disregard for social norms and human life and the potential to commit murder upon release, is purging the forget an example of "two wrongs"?

Locking someone in a cage is 'wrong'. Killing someone is 'wrong'. The entire judicial system seems kinda twisted when you look at it from the incorrect context, but it's a very real and absolutely required system that's been in place for a very long loving time. Criminals know the difference between right and wrong when they commit crimes, and sometimes the crime is so heinous and the perpetrator is so callous that we can appropriately deem it's better off for humanity to just simply purge the perpetrator.

I'd say that the punishment fits the crime, but I know you'll just drop Ghandi's proverb about the whole world being blind or some gay hakuna matata bullstuff, but here's the thing: The dealth penalty is far from an easy sentence to get. Not only do you have to commit a crime very, very dastardly to even have it on the table, but you also have to lie about it and try and get away with it. Normally if you confess, tell the prosecutors where the bodies/evidence is, and co-operate with the law, it's taken off the table/the sentence is reduced. There is an on-going debate throughout all of America of whether or not the death penalty is a right or wrong in the context of the victim vs the perpetrator, and that's why this topic exists. It's not an argument about "is it ok to do a bad llolololo" because there is still debate whether or not capital punishment is actually socially wrong. We determine the need for capital punishment through objective ideas, like whether or not the government has too much power, whether or not it's actually beneficial to society to kill heinous criminals, whether or not the punishment fits the crime. Not subjective ideas, like what some wet-wipe teenager with no real worldly context believes is "immoral"

surprised i haven't seen anyone discuss the natural rights people are given at birth; life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

We could build an artificial australia in the Pacific and make it the largest criminal nation in the world

surprised i haven't seen anyone discuss the natural rights people are given at birth; life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
if you're going social contract theory, committing a crime means that you've violated the social contract and government has the right to take away your rights

that's why prison is considered a reasonable punishment even though it strips you of your liberty

stripping life is obv a diff story but u gotta take that john locke all the way

i'm not talking about committing a crime, i'm talking about the government taking away your life.

yeah, as a punishment for committing a crime

if the government randomly assassinated people that'd be disconcerting but surely they would never do that Haheoh

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It seems like you and a lot of people in this thread think that morals are the same as ethics.

It seems like you and a lot of people in this thread think that morals are the same as ethics.
enlighten me


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First result on google broski
http://grammarist.com/usage/ethics-morals/
this doesn't really do anything for your case though

ZSNO is saying that there's no way for there to be objectively "correct" morality because there's logically no way for any moral position to be objectively tested

you can certainly argue morality but, unlike a scientific test or a math problem, there's not a single solution that's inherently more appropriate in a general sense.

We could build an artificial australia in the Pacific and make it the largest criminal nation in the world


ZSNO is saying that there's no way for there to be objectively "correct" morality because there's logically no way for any moral position to be objectively tested

you can certainly argue morality but, unlike a scientific test or a math problem, there's not a single solution that's inherently more appropriate in a general sense.
it can be tested w/ a comparison to Kant's categorical imperative

Yes, it should be legal, but only for extreme crimes such as international terrorism and repeated capital crimes (not completely sure about capital crimes, but definitely terrorism).

By not having a death penalty you have the slim chance of incredibly dangerous criminals escaping to cause more chaos. It has happened.