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westboro baptist church is pretty insane but i dont think they are bad enough to be compared :P

westboro baptist church is pretty insane but i dont think they are bad enough to be compared :P
I don't think the WBC encourages loveual exploitation of young boys or stabs people on a bus for simply being Jewish.

no. The scale of Islamic terrorism is far greater than one shooting. If the BBC is to be trusted, in November of 2014 alone, there were 664 jihadist attacks, killing 5042 people, of whom over 2000 were civilians. Please do show me another widely accepted ideology with similar rates of slaughter. I'd love to hear what you believe can even come close to the rate at which radical Muslims massacre other people.
You have to realize that there are so many places where extremist versions of Islam are taught and encouraged compared to Christianity. Any religion, including Christianity, would have just as much extremism if there was as extreme a hold on the ideology that was spread around as there is in fundamentalist Islam countries like Saudi Arabia. Christianity is largely taught as a religion of peace, (I say largely because there are plenty of places where extremist versions of it are taught, but they're far far outnumbered by more peaceful congregations)

While in places like as mentioned Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc, extremism has taken such a foothold that being an extremist there is less a fact of which religion you choose and moreso a result of whether you were taught by parents and schoolers and outsiders to be an extremist. This results in a much larger percentage of extremism than in religions where extremism has less of a foothold on the ideology. All that needs to happen for this to be fixed is plenty of time and intervention in high-risk areas to help stop the spread of it.

We've seen plenty of Christian terrorist attacks here in the US as an example, a significant portion of what has been commited by Muslim perpetrators too.

I don't think the WBC encourages loveual exploitation of young boys or stabs people on a bus for simply being Jewish.
They encourage the eternal damnation and suffering of people based on who they want to forget.
« Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 07:37:48 PM by Ipquarx »

islam is the worst belief system in the world right now.

You have to realize that there are so many places where extremist versions of Islam are taught and encouraged compared to Christianity. Any religion, including Christianity, would have just as much extremism if there was as extreme a hold on the ideology that was spread around as there is in fundamentalist Islam countries like Saudi Arabia. Christianity is largely taught as a religion of peace, while in places like as mentioned Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, etc, extremism has taken such a foothold that being an extremist there is less a fact of which religion you choose and moreso a result of whether you were taught by parents and schoolers and outsiders to be an extremist.

We've seen plenty of Christian terrorist attacks here in the US as an example, a significant portion of what has been commited by Muslim perpetrators too.
nowhere do I blame children for being exploited by those raising them and teaching them foul radical values. It's quite tragic actually.

A large part might also have something to do with the prophet of Christianity being a poor wandering holy man and the prophet of Islam being a warlord and a child enthusiast. The creeds of the respective ideologies seem to reflect this distinction, with Christianity focusing mostly on kindness and Islam on repentance for sin, which often takes the form of a severed digit, limb, or head. I'm not discounting that Christianity has archaic and outdated concepts, but the scale of Islamic terror is enormous and people are more afraid of being politically incorrect than having a fair dialogue about the issue.

The WBC may say that people will burn, but they are not the ones doing the burning. The WBC is not even close to Islam in terms of being a threat to western civilization.


Open question for others in the thread:

Is Islam in its current state compatible with western democracy? Does accommodation or assimilation take precedence?
« Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 07:50:46 PM by Cappytaino »

ip why are you trying to compare islam, a religion which openly promotes violence, killing, and hatred, to a religion that exclusively promotes kindness and forgiveness?

there is absolutely no comparison to be made between the two when it comes to radicalism. the few hate groups like wbc and the kool kids klub who have over the last 50 years probably killed a a single digit of a percentage point as many people as islam has are openly shut down by other christians and called, 'not christian.'

there are millions of islamic people in countless countries who wouldn't hesitate to kill you for being gay
Open question for others in the thread:

Is Islam in its current state compatible with western democracy? Does accommodation or assimilation take precedence?
i agree with you on the point between leaders. muhammed beat the stuff out of his 6 year old wife.

to answer the question: shuria law
« Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 07:53:05 PM by Akio- »

no. The scale of Islamic terrorism is far greater than one shooting. If the BBC is to be trusted, in November of 2014 alone, there were 664 jihadist attacks, killing 5042 people, of whom over 2000 were civilians. Please do show me another widely accepted ideology with similar rates of slaughter. I'd love to hear what you believe can even come close to the rate at which radical Muslims massacre other people.

oh so then its radicals that do it and not people who follow the normal religion

maybe you shouldn't generalize the entire loving population with a statement like what you said

openly promotes violence, killing, and hatred

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMHqUzmjbJw

oh so then its radicals that do it and not people who follow the normal religion

maybe you shouldn't generalize the entire loving population with a statement like what you said
but that's what the normal religion is -- the 'radical' ideology isn't at all radical because it's what their belief system promotes

take the quran and read 10 pages in any direction
« Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 07:55:07 PM by Akio- »

but that's what the normal religion is.

the normal religion tells you to kill innocents outside of times of oppression and war?  show me where please

times of oppression and war only exist for the islamic state who dont properly follow the islamic religion anyway

the normal religion tells you to kill innocents outside of times of oppression and war?  show me where please

times of oppression and war only exist for the islamic state who dont properly follow the islamic religion anyway

Show you where?
Right here, dolly.
http://quran.com/4/95-96

A penny for your thoughts?

http://quran.com/4/95-96

did you read this at all before posting it

"Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -"


it literally says those who stay home and choose not to worship, that aren't disabled or aren't fighting for him are less than those who devote their time

no where does it say to kill innocents

"The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter."

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Verily, those who purchase disbelief at the price of Faith, not the least harm will they do to Allah. For them, there is a painful torment.
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And let not those grieve you (O Muhammad) who rush with haste to disbelieve; verily, not the least harm will they do to Allah. It is Allah's Will to give them no portion in the Hereafter. For them there is a great torment.
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We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).
just a few for good measure

ip why are you trying to compare islam, a religion which openly promotes violence, killing, and hatred, to a religion that exclusively promotes kindness and forgiveness?
I was not in any case comparing the two in terms of absolutes. I was comparing them in terms of how much extremism is currently being advocated by groups associating with it around the world.

The thing about religion is you can't definitively say "X is worse than Y!" in most cases. Everyone has their own different interpretation of ideology and teachings of their own religions, and it can and will vary wildly from person to person. Even if we were to ignore how people interpret holy texts and just look at the texts themselves, there's millions of different ways to reinterpret the texts, which can lead you to come to wildly different conclusions about what ideology it promotes based on personal biases and what philosophies you subscribe to. This applies to both Christianity and Islam.

What you can do however is compare specific interpretations and ideologies. If we were to compare, say, fundamentalist islam to moderate Christians, you'd very plainly see that fundamentalist Islam is far less pleasant in many regards. I don't think anyone would argue against that.

did you read this at all before posting it

"Not equal are those believers remaining [at home] - other than the disabled - and the mujahideen, [who strive and fight] in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred the mujahideen through their wealth and their lives over those who remain [behind], by degrees. And to both Allah has promised the best [reward]. But Allah has preferred the mujahideen over those who remain [behind] with a great reward -"


it literally says those who stay home and choose not to worship, that aren't disabled or aren't fighting for him are less than those who devote their time

no where does it say to kill innocents
The quote specifically mentions "mujahideen," which is defined by Webster's Dictionary as "Islamic guerilla fighters, especially in the Middle East. I see no reason that a disabled person would be unable to worship, but it does make sense that a disabled person would be unable to take up arms, which makes even more sense given the word "mujahideen" is specifically used to describe those most revered by Allah.

Humor me with some mental gymnastics, hun.

islam didn't invent radicals

see: kool kids klub
But who has the most of it