Is my logic false?

[Marios]

If you're being a jackass to someone because they're being a jackass to you, all that shows is that you're willing to stoop to their level. At the very least, it reflects poorly on you.

Often times I end up being like this because I'm trying to make the other person realize I am angry and yelling because he is very annoying.

In other news, I'm editing OP for ambiguity avoidance.

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[Xalos]

have you ever heard the phrase "take the high ground"?

Not really; what does it mean? Serious question.

"Taking the (moral/ethical) high ground" refers to refraining from stooping to the level of someone who's acting unethically, and instead choosing to continue acting ethically.

[Marios]

"Taking the (moral/ethical) high ground" refers to refraining from stooping to the level of someone who's acting unethically, and instead choosing to continue acting ethically.

I used to do that until recently, it didn't work for me. I stayed with my thoughts and everyone else stayed with their stupid pride on their stupid logic. Now recently, when I end up falling from my high ground to stoop on their ground they go like "Don't be so handicapped Mario, you're being the jerk now"

Well, if anyone can believe this, I am just gonna say that, no matter what I do, no matter how right I am, nobody's agreeing with me if I am the singular minority. Really, I freaking mean it, nothing here helped. Everyone so high up their asses. (NOT referring to the BLF, to avoid confusion)

Nobody is going to believe I am the saint. I've said it anyway.

P.S.

if someone's being objectively starfishish towards you in an argument, the last thing you want to do is validate their behavior by mimicking it.

Just remembered I did this only when I was younger. Then again, this doesn't do crap either.

[The Resonte!]

"Don't be so handicapped [name], you're being the jerk"

do you ever say this to someone else

[Marios]

do you ever say this to someone else

No. I'm always trying to be nice with the hypersensitive little creep at the other side of the discussion.

[The Resonte!]

No. I'm always trying to be nice with the hypersensitive little creep at the other side of the discussion.

looks like your next trial and error will be to be the smack-talker instead of the smack-talkee

[Marios]

looks like your next trial and error will be to be the smack-talker instead of the smack-talkee

Uh, what? Does this mean I'll be hitting them next?

[sir dooble]

Screaming, and shouting, and getting physical never win an argument.

And doing so, or being a jerk to your opponent, puts you down on the same level as them.
Not all arguments can be won. Most probably can't, and end in neither side giving any ground. In that situation, if you demean yourself by shouting or being rude or violent, then you haven't lost the argument but you have lost dignity.

It's better to come out respectable, but having made no progress, than it is to have lowered yourself.

[otto-san]

instead of moralizing stuff it's also good to look at it this way:

if you piss someone off, they're going to get defensive. when people are defensive, they don't care about you or what you're saying because they want to protect their own interests (eg not feeling like garbage). if you want anyone to listen to what you're saying, it is in your interest to express your points in a way that is level-headedly calm and non-antagonistic. because when you're frustrated that someone isn't understanding you, it's easy to stop caring about their feelings or how much they matter; it's much easier to think of how the way you say things affects your own problems.

[Dannu]

Honestly just try not to care what people think. Everyone has different opinions. Nobody else really matters and all in all it's not a big deal.

This is the typical 'I'm a special little flower accept me' logic that you see everywhere these days. In real life what others think matters, how you can make others perceive you matters. You don't live in some isolated system where you can seperate career success, family sucess etc. from social success.

Also just be kind, laid back and don't react. By kind I mean don't start being snippy out of spite/when someone, especially the someone you hate asks help or advice, give it.

[Rally]

Mistake #1: Approaching social interaction with 'logic' is autistic as forget. Logic is arithmetic and self contained, use it to solve mechanical/physical/concrete problems. Social interaction works on emotion and there is rarely a black and white answer, it can be very unpredictable, and it usually depends on the context. stuff like this can very rarely be broken down to "someone is being a jackass" but for the sake of the thread I'll answer the questions anyway.

When someone is being a jackass to you, they shouldn't be angry when you then become a jackass to them. (My answer: Yes, Anyone else's answer: No)

This is childish. The 'high road' is a cheesy romanticized concept but it ultimately boils down to your best interest. If someone's being an ass, the best way to defuse the situation is not react. Confront your differences as mature individuals who both have a positive outcome in mind, come to a solution or a compromise, and move on. Don't drag bullstuff out by being a brat because someone else's actions are offending you, that kind of attitude just enables more bad behavior.

When someone is being a jackass to you again, and you shout or hit them, you instantly lose every point you have right. (My answer: If they're purposefully pissing you off at former, depends on latter, Anyone else's answer: Yes)

Rule of thumb: react on the same level of aggression or (ideally) less. You hit people to defuse a physical situation. You shout at people to get them to act in pressured situations. Anything else can be done in a calm demeanor. Reacting in a way that inflames a confrontation is instigation and yes, that does put you in the wrong in most circumstances. Sometimes people do stupid stuff in hot blood but you appear to be pretty self aware at this point so you don't really have an excuse.