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What changes?

AoC should be 18 to match age of adulthood
Age of adulthood should be 16 to match AoC
Drinking age should be lower to match age of adulthood.
Age you can be drafted at should be higher to match drinking age.
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Author Topic: Legal age limits.  (Read 3293 times)

I don't really think alcohol consumption by minors should be illegal (and it isnt in Oklahoma!) because it creates a sort of mysticism around a dangerous thing like you have to earn it. Then kids hit 21 and go nuts. Or they raid the liquor cabinet and potentially cause serious harm to themselves. If it was just accepted as something you shouldn't have too much of and children were raised with it, I think it would be a lot better.

Age of being able to watch research: 18
haha well that didnt work

I feel like simply setting an age for these things doesn't really do much good. A lot of people will be ready for emancipation before that age and will simply be hindered by an arbitrary amount of time; while others won't be ready and could potentially lose the care they need because of it.

I think one idea could be that there is a test available to all minors over 13 years of age that allows them to prove their maturity and ability to take care of themselves, and thus emancipate themselves on their own terms.

In addition, at 25 years old if a person is not yet emancipated they should be given a mandatory psychiatric examination to determine if they are disabled, and if so put them where they will receive their needed care; and to otherwise emancipate them so they are forced to start caring for themselves. Part of the incentive for people to emancipate themselves as soon as possible, and to therefore stop leeching resources from where-ever they are getting their care, is that all their legal limits are lifted once they are emancipated. They can't drink until they emancipate, they can't smoke until they emancipate, they can't drive until they emancipate, can't (legally) view/buy/participate in research until they emancipate, they cannot get a formal job until they emancipate, and they cannot check the box to accept the EULA until they are emancipated.



Anyways, that's just a concept I thought would be interesting.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2016, 05:24:01 AM by Pecon »

I think people under 25 should not be allowed to use the internet.

14 or 15 should be the legal age for everything. everyone is developed enough by then to know whether or not to be an idiot
Age: 16

I wonder why you feel that way

flatline everything at 20

where tf did 21 come from anyways

ideal imo:

11 for internet
15 for love with ppl up to 18 (cannot consent while drunk)
18 for love with ppl up to dying (cannot use "i was drunk" to argue rape in court where there was mutual consent at the time)
14 for driving with adult present
18 for driving
19 for alcohol
smoking is banned
20 for gun ownership

i think pecon's emancipation idea is quite good
« Last Edit: June 14, 2016, 11:25:40 AM by Juncoph »

14 or 15 should be the legal age for everything. everyone is developed enough by then to know whether or not to be an idiot

hahahaaaahahaha no

14 or 15 should be the legal age for everything. everyone is developed enough by then to know whether or not to be an idiot

ironically this is proof that teens haven't developed fully enough yet

Age: 16

I wonder why you feel that way
not really relevant? research watching laws are dumb and arbitrary, selective service shouldn't exist, so the only ones that matter are drinking age, smoking age, and driving age. If someone is old enough to understand how to drive, then they should be smart enough to know when to drink and not to smoke. The age of consent should stay at 18 or whatever it is by state.

alcohol limits should be 4-5 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

not really relevant? research watching laws are dumb and arbitrary, selective service shouldn't exist, so the only ones that matter are drinking age, smoking age, and driving age. If someone is old enough to understand how to drive, then they should be smart enough to know when to drink and not to smoke. The age of consent should stay at 18 or whatever it is by state.

there should be a (low) minimum age for unmonitered internet activity, though. not to protect the friend children but to protect the people online who have to deal with them

anything's legal if the po-po don't know

I feel like simply setting an age for these things doesn't really do much good. A lot of people will be ready for emancipation before that age and will simply be hindered by an arbitrary amount of time; while others won't be ready and could potentially lose the care they need because of it.

I think one idea could be that there is a test available to all minors over 13 years of age that allows them to prove their maturity and ability to take care of themselves, and thus emancipate themselves on their own terms.

In addition, at 25 years old if a person is not yet emancipated they should be given a mandatory psychiatric examination to determine if they are disabled, and if so put them where they will receive their needed care; and to otherwise emancipate them so they are forced to start caring for themselves. Part of the incentive for people to emancipate themselves as soon as possible, and to therefore stop leeching resources from where-ever they are getting their care, is that all their legal limits are lifted once they are emancipated. They can't drink until they emancipate, they can't smoke until they emancipate, they can't drive until they emancipate, can't (legally) view/buy/participate in research until they emancipate, they cannot get a formal job until they emancipate, and they cannot check the box to accept the EULA until they are emancipated.



Anyways, that's just a concept I thought would be interesting.
the problems with this are that, for one, tests are expensive to create and administer, and it would probably be a pretty large obstruction to a lot of people gaining the rights that they're entitled to. making the test would also be difficult because there isn't really any way to quantify maturity. you can test different basic cognitive skills in theory, but at that point you're secretly just having an IQ test to unlock your freedoms, which sounds like a pretty sketchy idea to me.

in addition, if the test is in english, you're excluding people who aren't fluent in english, either because they're still learning or never had to learn. the whole idea would also seem to imply that people have to earn their legal rights by proving that they're worthy of them, rather than automatically gaining them. this would be an incredibly concerning breach of due process; the government takes away your rights before you even have a chance to prove you don't deserve them. and if you don't have those rights, how would that affect the justice system? you're essentially only an extension of your parents by the state, not an independent individual. i think that idea would almost certainly be unconstitutional

i like the way it is currently. there's no way to make the law accurate enough to only give people rights when they're ready for them or smth, so the best bet is to just automatically raise barriers at the best estimate possible. maybe a combination could be made where people could opt to try and gain their rights sooner, but that would still be expensive to manage
« Last Edit: June 14, 2016, 03:07:28 PM by otto-san »

20 for internet
16 for love with ppl up to 18 (cannot consent while drunk)
18 for love with ppl up to dying (cannot use "i was drunk" to argue rape in court where there was mutual consent at the time)
15 for driving with adult present
18 for driving
19 for alcohol
smoking is banned
20 for gun ownership