(Radical) Islam's Incompatibility with Democracy and Western Ideals

[Rally]

14 years to death for being born gay. Seems like something someone might say if they were mentally ill. Sharia Law is a bad thing. Just because not all practices of Sharia Law include murdering innocent people/imprisoning them for life, still doesn't mean that Sharia Law isn't a stuff system resembling the hallmark of an inferior culture.

EDIT: And it's not a blanket statement, it's literally called Sharia Law lmfao like yes that is what they call it themselves

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[National Rail]

Let's sum this up in one simple statement:

Religion and politics do not mix.

[Qwepir]

You can see here that while a lot of countries under Sharia Law (most of the graphed countries are not) execute homoloveuals, many others do not.

Phew! They'll only jail someone for over a decade or even for an undefined amount of time! That's so much better!

[Tokerovin]

Religion is contagious mental handicapation 97% of the time.

If people could just be good to each other without fearing that god will strike them down or needing eternal paradise to inspire them to do so, we would have no problem.

This won't happen, so war and death will ensue.

[McZealot]

Phew! They'll only jail someone for over a decade or even for an undefined amount of time! That's so much better!

I never claimed to support homophobic laws?

The point is that saying that doesn't really say much, putting someone in jail is practically killing their life off anyways.

that's at least what I've interpreted it as roughly

uhh I obviously don't support imprisoning gays. The point is to show the diversity of Sharia law. While some places have it extremely strict, others are vague and some didn't have penalties at all. This is like someone showing that murder is at an all time low on a graph and you scream "MURDER IS ALWAYS WRONG YOU SICK forget!".

Saying "anyone who supports Sharia Law is mentally ill" is a blanket statement because in many countries Sharia Law is much less radical. While I still would never support the interconnection of the law and church calling such people ill is uneducated.

[Badger]

? I never claimed to support homophobic laws?

The point is that saying that doesn't really say much, putting someone in jail is practically killing their life off anyways.

that's at least what I've interpreted it as roughly

[Lord Tony®]

There was a non middle eastern country that was getting taken over by islamic refugees.

[Jairo]

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

this is the only pragmatic approach

[Red Spy]

There was a non middle eastern country that was getting raped by islamic refugees.

ftfy

[Taciturn]

religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

What if the popular view of the people is that religion ought to be the government, as has been the case in most of the middle east for most of history?

Religion and government aren't incompatible, religion and democracy are. Governments serve the people, and most of the people in the middle east follow Sharia law anyway, so there's no reason for Sharia law not to be set in stone legislatively. They have no interest in having anybody around that doesn't follow their customs, so they're protecting their way of life through the political process.

Just putting another opinion out there (hopefully you won't notice the huge hole in what I said)

[Aces]

What if the popular view of the people is that religion ought to be the government, as has been the case in most of the middle east for most of history?

Religion and government aren't incompatible, religion and democracy are. Governments serve the people, and most of the people in the middle east follow Sharia law anyway, so there's no reason for Sharia law not to be set in stone legislatively. They have no interest in having anybody around that doesn't follow their customs, so they're protecting their way of life through the political process.

Just putting another opinion out there (hopefully you won't notice the huge hole in what I said)

Isnt a bunch of religious zealots coming together and deciding that religion should take place in government somewhat democratic? Not in the literal sense that they actually vote/care about changing things its more like the culture would dictate that nothing would change even in a democracy.

Like if they held a vote right now to uphold middle-eastern ideals or to start abolishing those practices, wouldnt most people with voting power vote "hell no"?

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religion has no place whatsoever in government. It does not matter what religion it is. Islam, Christianity, Pastafarianism... None of it.

my name is not important

[IkeTheGeneric]

my name is not important

How jokes get ruined part 12

[Juncoph]

my name is not important

except he wasn't being edgy

in fact, i'd say being anti-secular is more edgy what with all the historical religion-based conflict that's been discussed in the 50 dead 53 injured thread

[Taciturn]

Isnt a bunch of religious zealots coming together and deciding that religion should take place in government somewhat democratic? Not in the literal sense that they actually vote/care about changing things its more like the culture would dictate that nothing would change even in a democracy.

Like if they held a vote right now to uphold middle-eastern ideals or to start abolishing those practices, wouldnt most people with voting power vote "hell no"?

The thing is that their process isn't democratic. From the west's point of view you've got a line of hereditary dictators controlling everybody's lives.

The citizens out there aren't voting to maintain sharia law, and the fact that they would, by and large, live by it doesn't change the fact that it isn't democratic.