[UK EU Referendum] - UK VOTES LEAVE | 51.89% // 48.11%

[beachbum111111]

So what would you say are the biggest point for both leave and stay?

For leave I would say you would get to have power over making your own laws.
For stay I would say because of the economic problems leave could potentially bring.

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[Crazycom]

I'm in (North) Devon too, and I was led to believe we were edging towards the Leave vote as a county.
That's the image I get from all the sgns and stuff at least.


I'm pro-leave, btw, and will be voting so tomorrow. I am entirely uncertain as to the result though.

I don't really mind Europe itself, but I really dislike how the EU works.

I don't like how we have people whom we didn't elect who are above our own government, whom can impose laws on us that we haven't debated and of which we can't block or repeal and are unaccountable for anything they do. I would be willing to trade our ability to self-govern ourselves back for an inevitable short term drop in the economy, as for the long term: nobody knows, and anybody who says they do is lying. It's a gamble, but it's a gamble I would be willing to take.

I haven't actually seen any pro-Remain posters around my area but I have seen pro-Leave posters on some house windows. It's just that from the opinion polls it seems (as a county) that we're more leaning toward Remain, or maybe we aren't - we'll find out very soon.

I'm in West Devon btw.

[Jam_Jar]

So what would you say are the biggest point for both leave and stay?

For leave I would say you would get to have power over making your own laws.
For stay I would say because of the economic problems leave could potentially bring.

It's such a cluster forget of information it's hard to say

In regards to leave allow us to make and manage our own laws, at the moment we already do just that. We can make and repeal our own laws just like any other country and the regulations put on us are to do with safety standards and trade agreements.

Not to say the bureaucracy behind that law making is perfect (it's pretty stuffty and cumbersome, but so is our internal government (hell most governments are cumbersome)), but if we leave we will still have to trade with our closest neighbours *cough* the EU *cough*. And while trading with our closest neighbours we still have to adhere to their EU rules and regulations BUT at that point we're no longer sitting around the table that chooses how those rules and regulations work.

Economically it's terrifying. Leaving doesn't just impact Europe and the UK but also most of the world. And currently no one has shown any plan for what we will do IF we leave. I'm not a fan of him but Nerd³ summed it up by saying leaving the EU now is like jumping out of a plane before putting our parachute on and saying "we'll figure it out on the way down".


One thing I think a lot of people forget is that the EU isn't a topdown system. It's a ring of system of each member state contributing into the EU and it's debates. Each state having a proportionate amount of leverage depending on it's size. In the case of the UK we're the 3rd largest, so we've got some weight to throw around.

[sir dooble]

Honestly, immigration is one factor that does weigh heavily on my opinion on the referendum.
I don't think it's right that we should have no control on the number of people who come to our country from the EU, especially when the EU is looking to expand the number of member states.
And I think it's wrong that in order to control immigration numbers we have to turn away Commonwealth Citizens.


Our economy is going to take a hit, but frankly we can take it, especially as we never adopted the Euro.
The hit is worth it to regain more control of our laws, control of who/how many we let in, and the opportunity to more freely trade and interact with our Commonwealth family.

We're still the UK and we're still going to have weight to push around, as well as money to spend and things to sell.
The rest of the world will trade with us, and after it works things out, so will Europe.

I'm in West Devon btw.

Neat! I'm in Barnstaple.

[IkeTheGeneric]

So if the UK does vote to leave the EU, what's the gameplan after that? I can't find any good solid info that isn't a stuffty propaganda piece

And I thought American politics was forgety

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leave leave leave

[sir dooble]

So if the UK does vote to leave the EU, what's the gameplan after that? I can't find any good solid info that isn't a stuffty propaganda piece

And I thought American politics was forgety

Well, we pretty much go back to how we ran before we joined.
We no longer give precedence to the EU courts, we no longer pay in to the EU, that sort of stuff.
As for trade the UK government will have to work things out with the EU, but no one anywhere knows exactly how that will work.

After that it's up to the government to work out trade/immigration with the rest of the world, and they work out how to spend the money we save.

Not a lot should change for the average person, as we have our own government and money.


I do reckon that if we leave we will see a resurgence in calls for independence from Scotland and Wales, as they recieve a lot of EU funding. I'll be pissed if this or any near-future governments give another Scottish Independence referendum so soon after the last.

[Maxwell.]

So if the UK does vote to leave the EU, what's the gameplan after that? I can't find any good solid info that isn't a stuffty propaganda piece

And I thought American politics was forgety

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-admits-he-has-absolutely-no-idea-what-will-happen-if-britain-leaves-the-eu-a7082126.html

in short: no loving idea. which is why I'm the stay side.

[TristanLuigi]

I'm not British, but in my opinion, Britain should remain in the European Union for economic (pretty much everyone agrees that Brexit will harm the British economy) and diplomatic (a leave vote would destabilize both the EU and the UK) reasons. I also generally like international cooperation and generally hate Nigel Farage and UKIP.

Also, I'll make EU avatars for anyone who wants them.

[sir dooble]

I've just been and voted with my brother.

[IkeTheGeneric]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-admits-he-has-absolutely-no-idea-what-will-happen-if-britain-leaves-the-eu-a7082126.html

in short: no loving idea. which is why I'm the stay side.

Oh god.

[Doughboy]

#voteinvade

[McJob]

Just a reminder that Nigel Farrage wants the UK to leave. That should be more than enough reason for you to vote "STAY".

[Doughboy]

Just a reminder that Nigel Farrage wants the UK to leave. That should be more than enough reason for you to vote "STAY".

thought we'd gotten rid of him after the 2015 elections but now he's creeped back along with bojo on the leave side
hopefully remain wins and nigel farage can forget off back to the depths he came from

[sir dooble]

Just a reminder that Nigel Farrage wants the UK to leave. That should be more than enough reason for you to vote "STAY".

Yeah, I'll choose how I vote on one of the most important elections of the last half-century based on one politician, who actually happens to be voting away his only political office (Farage is an MEP, and not an MP. If we leave the EU he holds no offices).

If we leave the EU then Nigel Farage doesn't suddenly become supreme leader.
And the Leave campaign is not a vote for UKIP.