[UK EU Referendum] - UK VOTES LEAVE | 51.89% // 48.11%

[Magus]

I actually managed to find a website in the last article Tezuni posted that has the leaked document on it. I don't know enough about documents (or the Polish language) to say if it's legit or not, but it looks legit.

http://www.tvp.info/25939587/europejskie-superpanstwo-zobacz-oryginalny-dokument (Polish website, English document)

Of course, the tabloids are having a field day with this.

I'm going to sit down and read the entire document. Will post a tl;dr when I finish.

Edit: TL;DR: We should cooperate more to do stuff about security threats and prevent them, form a European Security Council for that purpose, let's have more international cooperation, treat refugees according to the Geneva Convention, European Union member states should have equal benefits and burdens, clearly state legal options for migrants, more economic and social opportunities, do something about poverty, lack of security, and political instability in other countries, make sure the Euro is stable, economic convergence, strengthen the Euro.

In summary, don't skim documents before debating them. Actually read them.

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[Jam_Jar]

Edit: TL;DR: We should cooperate more to do stuff about security threats and prevent them, form a European Security Council for that purpose, let's have more international cooperation, treat refugees according to the Geneva Convention, European Union member states should have equal benefits and burdens, clearly state legal options for migrants, more economic and social opportunities, do something about poverty, lack of security, and political instability in other countries, make sure the Euro is stable, economic convergence, strengthen the Euro.

And one thing to add to that too, it mentions several times about the understanding that not all member states share the same level of enthusiasm and less drive for integration.
So this...

Just.  In.  Time.

...still remains as basically bullstuff and more Eurosceptic scaremongering.
You're literally using a document, that outlines AGAINST the article and bullet points you posted, as proof

gj

And in terms of its actual political momentum, it's been drafted and written by only 2 foreign minsters from France and Germany. This isn't a plan, this is more like an advisory brown townysis of the current state and situation of Europe.

So really, what Magus said is 100% true.

In summary, don't skim documents before debating them. Actually read them.

[Dreams_Of_Cheese]

Tezuni falling for scaremongering? Never!

[Donnies Catch]

decided to look at the pound again because 2 weeks ago i was told here "it would quickly rise again and is already on its way up"



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[General]

It is predicted to crash even further after the UK actually initiates the leaving process.

In more recent news: The EU is likely to start a reform in light of Brexit

[MunkeyCheez]

Excellent, now we have a PM that forgeted over the Police. I wonder if she'll do the same to the country? At least Boris has a role of his own now.

[National Rail]

Excellent, now we have a PM that forgeted over the Police. I wonder if she'll do the same to the country? At least Boris has a role of his own now.

Chill, the BBC is just showing a lot of scaremongery lately.

The pound sterling will start going back up by the end of the year.

[LeisureSuit912]

The pound sterling will start going back up by the end of the year.

"It'll only be a year."

"Don't worry, it's gonna take just a few years."

"Eventually."

[Dannu]

Chill, the BBC is just showing a lot of scaremongery lately.

The pound sterling will start going back up by the end of the year.

"It'll only be a year."

"Don't worry, it's gonna take just a few years."

"Eventually."

HM Treasury brown townysis: the long-term economic impact of EU membership and the alternatives

If I could point you towards the summarizing table on page 8, you can see all the alternative models to EU membership are stuff.

[National Rail]

"It'll only be a year."

"Don't worry, it's gonna take just a few years."

"Eventually."

Isn't it better to take a year or two of instability and then recover than to carry on declining with the rest of the EU though?

[otto-san]

Isn't it better to take a year or two of instability and then recover than to carry on declining with the rest of the EU though?

maybe, assuming you convince people that the EU doesn't benefit them and can't make any changes and that they'll just have to deal with things sucking for a little bit until we promise things will be better. it's a much surer bet to stick with the EU and reap its benefits than it is to take a huge, unprecedented risk. and that's true politically and economically; as long as the UK is a wildcard investment, its economy is going to suffer. the fact is that nobody knows for sure what's going to happen next if the UK were to leave, all there are are promises and speculation.

the UK can probably survive on its own, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be better off economically.

[National Rail]

The EU had already said there would be no more negotiations before the referendum happened.

Not sure what benefits your talking about though because I can certainly name a few cons.

Also what benefits?

There's a whole list of costs to go with the EU which pretty much outweighs the benefits.

[WaterOre]

Not sure what benefits your talking about though because I can certainly name a few cons.

Also what benefits?

There's a whole list of costs to go with the EU which pretty much outweighs the benefits.

Would you mind naming a few of those pros and cons?

[otto-san]

There's a whole list of costs to go with the EU which pretty much outweighs the benefits.

this is the debatable part

having access to the EU's free trade zone is a pretty big benefit, and they're not going to reward the UK for leaving by giving them access to it

[National Rail]

this is the debatable part

having access to the EU's free trade zone is a pretty big benefit, and they're not going to reward the UK for leaving by giving them access to it

I understand the free trade zone is probably the biggest benefit, however I don't think likes of Germany will suddenly "cut trading with the UK's high economy" because it would be pointless and they'd just be losing out on making money by selling their goods. Heck we would still be trading with America which has a big economy too.