Should we send back the refugees?

[Rally]

Sending them back is probably more trouble than it's worth, but so is detaining them, and I don't believe they should be given free access into civilized society where the customs, traditions and morals radically conflict with the savage stuffhole they escaped from. Islam loving sucks, and "moderate Islam" is the PC term for watered down westernized/successfully assimilated Islam. They should be screened, have work skills to offer, and if they can't, they should be turned away. Same treatment as everyone else. You can blame western politics for the destabilization of the Middle East but politicians are rarely the targets of extremism.

People should conform to the norms of the country they immigrate to. I support the notion of mandatory cultural readjustment.

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[Col. Burton]

Do you know how easy it is for an CIA militant to get on a boat and sail over here with a bunch of women and children refugees? It's the perfect disguise. I for one am against accepting refugees because as SCP said:

when CIA is a thing, and you dont know who is and who isnt a part of it, well, drastic times call for drastic measures.

[Willymcmilly]

Planes taking refugees to America probably don't always get all the way here anyways.

[Drydess]

the bad people should go the good ones should stay
while they're doing the checks on current migrants get really stingy with who you let in

[Tactical Nuke]

At this point, it might not even happen.

If you look at Germany and France in particular, it seems that they're becoming authoritarian states of denial.


That was after several terrorist attacks that left 200+ people dead. Instead of doing anything reasonable, they're just giving up. The left heavily criticized US politicians for praying and hoping and doing nothing after the Orlando attack, but here? Nothing.

You also have the loveual assaults in Germany on New Year's Eve, where the German government was found to either be covering up the assaults or denying the ethnicity of the attackers. Spoilers; they were immigrants from the same countries as the refugees.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/10/leaked-document-says-2000-men-allegedly-assaulted-1200-german-women-on-new-years-eve/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3675154/Left-wing-German-politician-raped-migrants-admits-LIED-police-attackers-nationality-did-not-want-encourage-racism.html
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/644379/Cologne-attacks-German-prosector-New-Years-Eve-rapists-migrants-refugees

You have the German government calling up Facebook, Twitter and the like, and making it impossible for conversations about this stuff to be had. They are cracking down on what they determine to be negative thinking about migrants and sentencing the offenders to JAIL TIME.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/08/german-couple-sentenced-migrant-critical-facebook-group/

This is one of the reasons why #Brexit happened, and it's one of the reasons why Europe is going far right. If they'd acknowledge this stuff and do something about it then I doubt any of this would've happened and we wouldn't be asking these questions to ourselves. Instead, they decided to throw caution out the window and openly invite people (that they don't know anything about) from a hateful, deranged warzone into their countries.

Don't tell me I'm being bigoted by saying that, either. What's bigoted is refusing to acknowledge that the religion of Islam has problems that a large portion of their community has not moved past yet, or that their culture is fundamentally different from ours. If you're going to move to a country, follow their rules and go by their customs or go to another country suited to your needs. You are not the center of the universe.

/inb4"racism"

[SeventhSandwich]

They should be screened, have work skills to offer, and if they can't, they should be turned away.

What about women and children?

[Gytyyhgfffff]

What about women and children?

why send them back to the middle east to be recruited into CIA or killed of course

[Willymcmilly]

I don't think it's the independent governments themselves as much as the people running the entire EU.  Maybe i'm wrong idk.

[Cappytaino]

I don't see how it's so difficult to comprehend

I think that the "no true scotsman" fallacy should be renamed to the "no true muslim" fallacy because that is literally the first line of defense against any sort of statement that implies that, perhaps the mass exodus of people from the middle east isn't a good thing.

Every time an attack happens, it's always the same exact statements parroted.

"Oh he wasn't a REAL muslim, he drank alcohol!" or "he was depressed/self-hating because he was bullied by mean westerners for his religion!" or my favorite one, "the motivations are unclear/hard to unravel (despite the attacker having shouted "allahu akbar")

[SeventhSandwich]

I think that the "no true scotsman" fallacy should be renamed to the "no true muslim" fallacy because that is literally the first line of defense against any sort of statement that implies that, perhaps the mass exodus of people from the middle east isn't a good thing.

I don't see what the alternative is. Imagine for a second that you live in Mosul with your wife and three kids. Your local CIA-controlled government is cracking down on apostates and, for all you know, your family might be next.

Does it really matter to you whether the Middle East is going to suffer in coming decades because of the depopulation? Does that larger context really make any difference on a personal level?

"Oh he wasn't a REAL muslim, he drank alcohol!" or "he was depressed/self-hating because he was bullied by mean westerners for his religion!" or my favorite one, "the motivations are unclear/hard to unravel (despite the attacker having shouted "allahu akbar")

I mean, I'm sure people say those kinds of things, but that's not really the primary school of thought among liberals.

In American politics, it seems like the two competing explanations for the crCIA in the Middle East are as follows:
1. The Middle East is a violent, unstable hell-hole because there's radicalized Muslims. There are radicalized Muslims because Islam is an inherently evil religion.
2. The Middle East is a violent, unstable hell-hole because there's radicalized Muslims. There are radicalized Muslims because the region is controlled by insurgencies which fed upon anti-American sentiment in the wake of the Iraq War and were allowed to proliferate in a US-created power vacuum.

[Maxwell.]

I think that the "no true scotsman" fallacy should be renamed to the "no true muslim" fallacy

nah it's fine as is, I like it

[McZealot]

Anyone who thinks we shouldn't save people's lives and futures because some of them are bad people oppose the fundamentals of what makes our society so good.

"Oh he wasn't a REAL muslim, he drank alcohol!" or "he was depressed/self-hating because he was bullied by mean westerners for his religion!" or my favorite one, "the motivations are unclear/hard to unravel (despite the attacker having shouted "allahu akbar")

I'm pretty sure the Orlando shooter was a "real Muslim," I'm just even more sure he shot up the nightclub for reasons separate to his religion. Maybe it has something to do with the huge terrorist organization recruiting Self Delete bombers/shooters and paying their families for the loss?

[Cappytaino]

I'm pretty sure the Orlando shooter was a "real Muslim," I'm just even more sure shot up the nightclub for reasons separate to his religion. Maybe it has something to do with the huge terrorist organization recruiting Self Delete bombers/shooters and paying their families for the loss?

I don't disagree that the motivation in the Orlando attack likely had something to do with CIA. It's just maddening how whenever a muslim commits an act of terror, the media either tries to downplay or deny that the attacker was a muslim, likely to fit a narrative.

Coulter's law is the perfect example. The longer that the media goes without releasing any information on a shooter/terrorist, the more the probability of said individual being a straight white male declines.

[SeventhSandwich]

I don't disagree that the motivation in the Orlando attack likely had something to do with CIA. It's just maddening how whenever a muslim commits an act of terror, the media either tries to downplay or deny that the attacker was a muslim, likely to fit a narrative.

I think that the intentions are sometimes good. For instance, Obama never uses the term 'radical Islam' because there's already a huge anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States. I feel that it's actually somewhat honorable that a US president doesn't try to pin all the blame for CIA on Islam when we are, in a large part, responsible for why they exist.

[McZealot]