Author Topic: Princeton banned the word "man" on their campus.  (Read 12417 times)

tony just a word of advice, with your news posts you might consider adding a source or link if its not something personal

tony just a word of advice, with your news posts you might consider adding a source or link if its not something personal
He won't do that unless asked in that particular thread. If there was a source, people wouldn't take the bait.

If I add a source you'll just dismiss it as not credible despite being a triple A news network.

it's not that hard to find a source, people

i'd accept the "it's his job to provide a source if he starts talking about it" thing if it actually took longer than 3 seconds to do so myself

it's not that hard to find a source, people

i'd accept the "it's his job to provide a source if he starts talking about it" thing if it actually took longer than 3 seconds to do so myself
Every other news thread on the BLF has a source - Tony has no excuse. He just does it because you can't bait as well if people can actually check to see what the forget you're talking about.

This. It's literally contained in the word "woman". It's just the English language.
So surely you'd also support Christian gay conversion camps? It's so much easier to get therapy than pay for an expensive and immoral marriage.

There's a difference between getting a legal union for tax and immigration benefits, and getting your balls cut off and your richard turned inside out because you're "not at ease" with your gender. Come up with a better brown townogy.

You're insane if you think people usually get married for tax benefits. It's a secondary thought. Whether someone wants to get married or cut off their balls so they can be happy with themselves is the same level of irrelevance to anyone else in society.

get married or cut off their balls

These two things are so wildly different it's amazing that you can seriously justify them under the same ends. I don't know how else to put it.

These two things are so wildly different it's amazing that you can seriously justify them under the same ends. I don't know how else to put it.
Both are personal choices that do not affect you in the slightest.

These two things are so wildly different it's amazing that you can seriously justify them under the same ends. I don't know how else to put it.
is the same level of irrelevance to anyone else in society.
Are you saying someone slicing off their balls affects you?

Both are personal choices that do not affect you in the slightest.

Did I say it affected me? You say it doesn't affect me but then you call me a jerk or a bigot or whatever when I don't enable this disordered behavior by playing into their illness. I don't consider a man in love with another man to be in need of help. I consider a man who wants to mutilate his body to be in need of help.

If you wanna cut your loving balls off, or your legs for that matter, go ahead.

treatment for GID doesn't strictly involve reassignment surgery. it's also incorrect to say that GID is just a misled belief that someone is something they aren't, it's a medical condition caused by complex psychological problems that can have roots in both nature and nurture. an assertion that someone's GID isn't real is no different from telling patients experiencing depression or PTSD that their problems are all in their heads. it might be hard to relate to psychological problems, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. aside from all that, someone's health and treatment are their own private concerns. it's not the place of anyone but them and their doctors to decide what the best direction is for them.

I understand the complexity of the disorder, so long as we're calling it what it is: a disorder. Forgive me if I have little faith in the judgement of doctors when it comes to recommending expensive surgeries to exploitable people.

EDIT: To clarify, in my original post I said 'You'd think it'd just be easier', not 'it would be easier'. I'm open to discussion regarding the issue so long as we're not flinging stuff about "gay conversion camps".
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yeah that's fair enough, tho patients who want reassignment surgery do have to go through assessments to make sure they understand the implications of the procedure and are fully sane in wanting it, as well as already living full-time under their target identity. it's definitely not as easy as a doctor's recommendation, you do have to be really serious about it.

I understand the complexity of the disorder, so long as we're calling it what it is: a disorder.
right, which really only means that it's a condition which negatively affects someone's normal function in some way, it's a purely medical classification. stigmatizing mental illness really only stops people from seeking treatment when they need it, tho obv that's not a problem exclusive to GID. and that kind of stigma is probably also why some trans people are against the classification of GID as a disorder

EDIT: To clarify, in my original post I said 'You'd think it'd just be easier', not 'it would be easier'. I'm open to discussion regarding the issue so long as we're not flinging stuff about "gay conversion camps".
yeah what you said i think is probably what happens the majority of the time anyway, probably at least as a precursor or supplement to other treatments. but i've never asked any trans people about their treatment so i'm not sure. cognitive therapy isn't always the best option for all illnesses, but it can certainly help with some of the higher-level problems. it's defo important for patients of mental illnesses to at least be sure they understand their problems before getting further treatment
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