Author Topic: [NEWS] EU hits Apple with $14.6 billion tax evasion bill; US outraged  (Read 7526 times)

All companies should evade taxes because they are theft


forget the man!

brown townogy
get the local government of your territory or whatever to pay for you cause they got you into this whole mess



which in the not-scenario would be ireland



forget the man!
Who is the "Man"? Chad? Is it Fred? I would rather it be Fred.

Who is the "Man"? Chad? Is it Fred? I would rather it be Fred.
no forget fred he doesn't pay his taxes and he's overall a piece of stuff

i'm not surprised since it's a huge ass company

i firmly believe that anyone who doesnt support taxes should be forced to drive exclusively on toll-roads

i firmly believe that anyone who doesnt support taxes should be forced to drive exclusively on toll-roads
Aka oklahoma

In the northeastern part, christ they're everywhere

i firmly believe that anyone who doesnt support taxes should be forced to drive exclusively on toll-roads

"roads"





All companies should evade taxes because they are theft

« Last Edit: September 02, 2016, 01:55:06 PM by Juncoph »

i firmly believe that anyone who doesnt support taxes should be forced to drive exclusively on toll-roads
As well as being unable to call 911, use the post office, or go to public school.

As well as being unable to call 911, use the post office, or go to public school.

don't forget that DARPA came up with the modern internet, so no internet for them either

they should also have no rights given to them by the constitution as it's government legislation
« Last Edit: September 02, 2016, 02:00:50 PM by Juncoph »

It wasn't a loophole. It was a deal that Ireland made with them. Ireland literally told them that if they created jobs in Ireland, they wouldn't have to pay taxes. They agreed to that deal, and then later they were told that since the deal was illegal, they actually have to pay it anyway.
I'm well aware of that. But the fact that ireland was allowed to actually get away with doing that, was, as far as I was aware, a loophole. The EU then determined that this loophole was illegal, which importantly, both parties should have known. If you're going to get into a deal, especially one that's pretty shady (As tax evasion always is), it's most definitely on you to make sure what you're doing is at the very least not illegal. They both have nobody to blame but themselves.

And the comparison isn't exactly fair either; this isn't a deal between a government and an average citizen. Average citizens aren't expected to know the full extents of the law. (Maybe the basics like laws against theft, bodily harm, disturbing the peace etc) Huge multinational companies however are expected to know the full extents of what they are and aren't allowed to do, by law. They have more than enough resources to mean that determining if something is safely legal, even in the clusterforget that is EU law is not an unnecessary burden.


Apple better cough up that sweet dough and give it to the EU already  :cookie:

no forget fred he doesn't pay his taxes and he's overall a piece of stuff
yeah but he's got a lot of overall enthusaism

I'm well aware of that. But the fact that ireland was allowed to actually get away with doing that, was, as far as I was aware, a loophole. The EU then determined that this loophole was illegal, which importantly, both parties should have known. If you're going to get into a deal, especially one that's pretty shady (As tax evasion always is), it's most definitely on you to make sure what you're doing is at the very least not illegal. They both have nobody to blame but themselves.

It wasn't really a loophole that Ireland "got away with" not charging them taxes. Ireland collects their own taxes, and so they just decided not to collect on earnings for Apple. A loophole would be if Apple snaked their way out of having to pay taxes in Ireland, which they didn't. They made a deal.

And the comparison isn't exactly fair either; this isn't a deal between a government and an average citizen. Average citizens aren't expected to know the full extents of the law. (Maybe the basics like laws against theft, bodily harm, disturbing the peace etc) Huge multinational companies however are expected to know the full extents of what they are and aren't allowed to do, by law. They have more than enough resources to mean that determining if something is safely legal, even in the clusterforget that is EU law is not an unnecessary burden.
I think that in general people would assume that if the agency that governs a particular thing makes a deal with you regarding what they govern, the deal is legitimate. At absolute worst it was a legal grey zone where the direct governing authority specifically allowed something but the more general governing authority didn't. It's kind of like how marijuana is legal in only a few states in the US but illegal federally. Plus this is all just operating under the technicality of "it is the way it is because it is the way it is." Just because legally the EU had the power to curtail the deal doesn't mean they should. I for one think that Ireland should be able to tax in the way they see fit.