Author Topic: [NEWS] Supreme Court to take up cases concerning transgender bathroom policies  (Read 6301 times)

the minority here isn't the one that appealed to the supreme court, though i'm not sure if i'm misunderstanding you because this vaguely sounds like you're saying minorities shouldn't be allowed to litigate for social issues, or at the very least that it shouldn't be acceptable

what he's saying is that 0.3% of the population shouldn't be able to dictate the privacy of the other 99.7% or decide the way they should act or speak.

this isn't relevant to his actual argument
yes it it because i'm confused at what he's actually trying to say and posting the definition of question mark is funnier than just a question mark or "what?"

yes it it because i'm confused at what he's actually trying to say and posting the definition of question mark is funnier than just a question mark or "what?"

you clearly already knew it was a question

what he's saying is that 0.3% of the population shouldn't be able to dictate the privacy of the other 99.7% or decide the way they should act or speak.
conversely, 99.7% of the population shouldn't get to decide what's best for the other 0.3% and what rights they're allowed to have. i would also question whether or not it is a breach of someone's privacy to require proof of their genitalia to ensure they are the correct love (i know nobody is going to do this but for some reason people seem to think this should be done?), and if the fact that you share a public restroom with someone would ever conceivably be a breach of privacy, because if that's the case, that would be quite a concern for any business providing restrooms (all/most of them since i'm pretty sure that's required by building codes or smth in most places)

you clearly already knew it was a question
his post was a comedic way to say "what?" as in "what are you talking about?"
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 03:20:11 AM by otto-san »

conversely, 99.7% of the population shouldn't get to decide what's best for the other 0.3% and what rights they're allowed to have.

except that the 99.7% is deciding what's best for them, not for the others
that's how democracy works; hate to break it to you, but people tend to look after themselves before everyone else

i would also question whether or not it is a breach of someone's privacy to require proof of their genitalia to ensure they are the correct love (i know nobody is going to do this but for some reason people seem to think this should be done?),

no one is suggesting this
they're saying that if a man (who maybe even got into a wig and dress) were to say, "oh hey gals I'm a woman," maybe don't let him into the loving girls' dressing room
trans people who look like the opposite love don't even have to worry about this, people aren't going to look at them and go, "hoo wee that guy has a richard"

and if the fact that you share a public restroom with someone would ever conceivably be a breach of privacy, because if that's the case, that would be quite a concern for any business providing restrooms (all/most of them since i'm pretty sure that's required by building codes or smth in most places)

it's not individual privacy, although that's the reason there's dividers and stalls
men are expected to stay separate to women when it comes to dressing/stuffting because it's what women want and because it's the polite thing to do
if you remove the requirement for people to separate themselves like that, stuff is going to happen, as already shown

no one is suggesting this
they're saying that if a man (who maybe even got into a wig and dress) were to say, "oh hey gals I'm a woman," maybe don't let him into the loving girls' dressing room
trans people who look like the opposite love don't even have to worry about this, people aren't going to look at them and go, "hoo wee that guy has a richard"
you can't make laws subjective like this - although the best case scenario is everyone is a sane, rational, generally-law-abiding citiizen who knows where the line is drawn at, the reality is you have to set that boundary for those who don't know where it exists.

enforcing laws based on unclear situations is how controversies start. like this one: the boy looks like a boy for the most part, and was trying to use the boys restroom. but where would you draw the line between "looking like a boy/girl and not acting like a creep" between "a creep who's doing it just for their creepy goals"

as already shown
1) unilove bathrooms, doesn't really address the transgender issue
2) actually addresses the transgender issue, but the guy got arrested and charged, so the law works exactly how it's supposed to in this case
3) in this case I would've just called the police, and the pool should have kicked the guy out. It's pretty blatant whether someone is transgender or not, and if someone goes through the effort of crossdressing so well just only to peep at women and girls in bathroom facilities, then I don't know what to say there.

its like hate crime. at what point do you draw the line between hate speak and free speech?
this problem is easily solved by the idea of "if you think its hate, hate them back"

and that's the "simplest" solution
"if you think he/she doesn't fit in appearance and/or personality, and you actually care about it, do something about it" (but you have to be really sure on this)(if you get it wrong it will be pretty uncomfortable)(but considering that you're only in there to use the bathroom you may not care enough to get a deep look)

boy im glad i dont care enough about where i piss to have an opinion about this, even as a transgender.
wanna know what i do have an opinion on? that its normal in my country to ask up to a euro if not more to use public restrooms. forget that

/that its normal in my country to ask up to a euro if not more to use public restrooms. forget that
like one of those "insert coin for access" things

like one of those "insert coin for access" things
yea or literally like a dude sitting there with a bowl of coins that doesnt speak english nor dutch

this is unacceptable. if a guy has a richard (or A loving TUMBLR GENDER), use THE GOD DAMN BOYS BATHROOM
if the guy has a VAG
uSE THE WOMENS BATHROOM
forget IT IM GONNA BECOME A TUMBLR GENDER
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Bathrooms should be based on love and not gender, not that there is a difference between the two but some seem to think so
Why even have segregated bathrooms at this point?

you can't make laws subjective like this - although the best case scenario is everyone is a sane, rational, generally-law-abiding citiizen who knows where the line is drawn at, the reality is you have to set that boundary for those who don't know where it exists.

enforcing laws based on unclear situations is how controversies start. like this one: the boy looks like a boy for the most part, and was trying to use the boys restroom. but where would you draw the line between "looking like a boy/girl and not acting like a creep" between "a creep who's doing it just for their creepy goals"
Am I the only one who doesn't really care if they do it for creepy goals? As long as I don't have to talk to people while I stuff, I don't care if they're in the next stall climaxing at the smell of my farts.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 02:09:37 PM by DrenDran »

Plenty of people
Oh stuff, three articles.

If we stopped doing things every time three articles came around, video games and guns would've already been banned.

except that the 99.7% is deciding what's best for them, not for the others
that's how democracy works; hate to break it to you, but people tend to look after themselves before everyone else
that's one of the pitfalls of direct democracy, not an advantage, the majority gets to decide that their interests are more important than the minority's. this is why our government is so convoluted, it's intentionally designed so that minorities don't get trampled over, they have numerous areas where they can slow down the political process and have their interests heard. the idea that, because the minority is a minority, they're less important, is incredibly dangerous.

no one is suggesting this
they're saying that if a man (who maybe even got into a wig and dress) were to say, "oh hey gals I'm a woman," maybe don't let him into the loving girls' dressing room
trans people who look like the opposite love don't even have to worry about this, people aren't going to look at them and go, "hoo wee that guy has a richard"
i said i knew it wasn't going to happen because i know nobody is going to actually have security enforcing these policies in the bathrooms or at the door. also, letting people use public restrooms of their identified gender literally just means they're taking a stuff and leaving a different room. it's very obvious if someone is doing anything but that, frankly this idea that letting people use the bathroom will lead to loveual assault is a kneejerk reaction. i'm also not sure why it shouldn't be allowed to use the restroom because you don't look enough like the gender you identify as; you can't legislate that. it's an entirely subjective idea. letting the government begin deciding if people look male or female enough is hilariously silly because there's no metric for it, it would be up exclusively to the opinions of officials.

it's not individual privacy, although that's the reason there's dividers and stalls
men are expected to stay separate to women when it comes to dressing/stuffting because it's what women want and because it's the polite thing to do
yeah, and nobody is telling people to remove dividers. the reason i said that is because the only reason someone a the different love being in the same restroom as you would be an invasion of privacy would be because you don't want to be in a bathroom with them, and if that's the case, then that could legally be extrapolated to anyone that you don't want in the same bathroom, which makes sense in private settings, but not public ones where multiple-user public restrooms are already widespread.

and again i would say that the interests of the majority are not inherently more valuable than the interests of the minority.

if you remove the requirement for people to separate themselves like that, stuff is going to happen, as already shown
this is a kneejerk reaction and a hasty conclusion. we have no metric of knowing the long-term effects of a restrictive policy and we also have no way of knowing the exact correlations at play in cases such as these. the things these people are doing are illegal and will stay just as illegal regardless. the fact that they have one more or less little offense to go through in order to commit a crime is not going to stop them from committing a much larger one. and i still question the logistics of enforcing these policies anyway, since nobody wants to have willy-checkers at every bathroom door, and supposedly the people inside the bathroom would be the victims of loveual assault and probably wouldn't be able to report anything in a timely manner.

and as always, there is an article to counter your article, and one to counter mine.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 02:21:36 PM by otto-san »