#Pizzagate

[Akio-]

you should point out specific examples and teach us kimon

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[rambo1220]

there's nothing to debunk. you're literally gathering semi-related coincidences and saying that you're right just because you have a lot of these coincidences. a coincidence is a coincidence, and having multiple coincidences, each new one less connected to the main theory than the last, doesn't change the fact that there is still objectively no evidence in support of your claim.

AKA it's a conspiracy theory.

well then how about this, go through it and present us why all the leads gathered are just coincidences and loosely tied together and then we'll talk, with your evidence and reason as to how this is all one big huge substantiated claim.

[RedGajin]

damn this is still going? ima have to rent out a basement soon

[Perry]

there's nothing to debunk. you're literally gathering semi-related coincidences and saying that you're right just because you have a lot of these coincidences. a coincidence is a coincidence, and having multiple coincidences, each new one less connected to the main theory than the last, doesn't change the fact that there is still objectively no evidence in support of your claim.

AKA it's a conspiracy theory.

Multiple coincidences at once isn't proof but its still suspicious. if anything, the more coincidences the more its worth looking into

[TeeOS]

the culture of self-appointed detective many inhabitants of 4chan / reddit have donned in recent years. at first, there was this wild success story of a group of 4chan users uncovering a strange mystery (at least i think so. maybe it didn't even happen). this led to every average lurker or conspirator thinking they have the capability and the evidence to uncover secrets and mysteries that either the government hasn't solved yet, or that they "dont want you to know". because of this single ego-inflating incident, thousands of people have decided "i can do this too!"

i have no idea what you're talking about
what strange mystery is this?

unfortunately, they can't. dozens of incidents similar to this where hundreds of users are "convinced" the evidence couldn't possibly be a coincidence have sprouted up, and every single one of them has been blatantly false or has led to a dead end. this still hasn't stopped people. the second anyone feels a shred of doubt, more people get sucked into the bullstuff tidal wave, and more "evidence" appears. even if it's not real evidence, it still gives everyone the illusion that progress is being made, or that they're closer to uncovering the truth. that's what keeps stuff like pizzagate thriving for longer than it ever needed to.

not really
in the community you have the people digging up information and another portion who is also devoted to debunking any false leads
for example, until recently it was thought that the 14 and the fish written on podesta's hands in an image were related to spirit cooking or some ritual, when in actuality it was related to the 14th section of a climate change coalition in the UN or something similar
not every piece of evidence is impenetrable, but i'm not seeing how any other evidence as of right now is a dead end

every single instance where a couple of otherwise insignificant lurkers have found barely connected coincidences have devolved into harassment calls and dead ends abandoned as the internet's fickle attention span wears out. in due time, pizzagate will devolve into occasional harassment calls to comet ping pong and dead end theories that can't be carried by blind mob mentality and meaningless momentum any longer. i guarantee this.

certain users have harassed comet ping pong but for the most part the community is advised to keep away from doing such actions
the recent gunman may have said those were his intentions, but i dont think an actor whose dad served as executive director for Protect-A-Child wouldn't already know it was fake if his dad was so closely tied to child abuse prevention

there's nothing to debunk. you're literally gathering semi-related coincidences and saying that you're right just because you have a lot of these coincidences. a coincidence is a coincidence, and having multiple coincidences, each new one less connected to the main theory than the last, doesn't change the fact that there is still objectively no evidence in support of your claim.

AKA it's a conspiracy theory.

I'd post the giant Snopes write-up because I don't feel like writing a giant post about why this is dumb, but apparently that's become a liberal shill site now. (even though they've been getting the "biased" accusations from both sides of the political spectrum for a while now: http://www.snopes.com/info/notes/politics.asp)

these coincidences arent "semi-related" at all
these people work together, email each other, and have dinner/parties with each other on multiple occasions
they have similar tastes in art and humor
you guys keep insisting that these are "loosely-tied" when in actuality these people are very interactive with each other
its like you havent bothered to actually dive deeper into it aside from snopes and the nyc who can do all of the reading for you and filter it out to fit the "fake news" aspect

[Poliwhirl]

you should point out specific examples and teach us kimon

well then how about this, go through it and present us why all the leads gathered are just coincidences and loosely tied together and then we'll talk, with your evidence and reason as to how this is all one big huge substantiated claim.

alright

those sketches are two different possible renditions of what the (single!) suspect may have looked like. here's a third and even more dissimilar rendition:

and furthermore, an email sent that shares only a 2-day timeframe in common doesn't prove much on its own.

her hands are ziptied

those two people share nothing in common but their ear shape. different facial structure and hair color. here's a forensic artist's interpretation of how she would have most likely looked:



something also worth noting is that the image on the left (in the 4chan post) most likely isn't even of madeleine. searching her name does not bring up any images even remotely similar to the one used in that post.

ironically, this image was posted by willymcmilly. i assume you understand the irony.

this seems to be the main argument for pizzagate, yet its arguably the most flawed. comet ping pong is in washington DC, which means its in an area where politically funded companies are the norm. the logos are hardly related to the actual "child enthusiast symbols," especialyl considering one is literally just a heart and the other is essentially a triangle.

beyond borders and terasol are too far away to be involved in the somehow undetected underground tunnel of child enthusiasm, and prose and poetry is again a very slight coincidence. politicians go to perform in places like these all the time, especially if it's well known, often visited by people and other politicians, and nearby.

already it seems that the very foundation of this phenomenon isn't very reliable, so its not hard to imagine why websites like snopes would discredit it.

[Perry]

It's also worth noting that the 'zip tie' around the girls wrists can easily be interpreted as the edge of her shirt. Look at the shoulders- the shirt is clearly light gray and dark blue. The end of the shirt near the wrists could easily be gray as well.

Plus zip ties don't work like that. They have to cover both wrists at once, not one or the other.

[Akio-]

the main suspicions aren't based on the images, just things i found interesting when looking into it.

the core of the theory is based on the podesta emails, where there is indisputably sketchy language going on, exclusively referring to pizza / pasta related things and "pizza parties" that directly translates with the FBI's child enthusiasm slang legend. it's especially sketchy considering the website for cosmic ping pong has extremely tight security for a casual pizza place along with a secret login place that allegedly leads to a file download page

along with very convenient ties with the owners of the shops (james alefantis or w/e his name is having VERY suspicious and creep-related instagram posts) it is absolutely unfair completely discredit it and condescendingly mock everyone who disagrees with you. there's valid reasons to be skeptical on both sides.

you also show how things are loosely connected and don't tie together, you are disagreeing with the podesta's kidnapping a child (seems too wild anyways) and the oddly coincidental signs used as logos.

[Perry]

the core of the theory is based on the podesta emails, where there is indisputably sketchy language going on, exclusively referring to pizza / pasta related things and "pizza parties" that directly translates with the FBI's child enthusiasm slang legend. it's especially sketchy considering the website for cosmic ping pong has extremely tight security for a casual pizza place along with a secret login place that allegedly leads to a file download page

The one thing that doesn't add up is why they're using blatantly flagged codewords. Like, if i'm the top representative of some government stuff and a target of cyberhacking at any moment i'd think of some more creative codewords for illicit stuff than the most common one- pizza.

Also, the logos don't make sense either. They're both clearly similar to two child enthusiasm symbols but that's the other aspect that doesn't add up. Why the hell would any child predator try intentionally to make it known that they are interested in child enthusiasm in the first place? Like it logically doesn't make any sense. These people sat down and said "I want to make my restaurant blatantly related to child enthusiasm. They'll never suspect a thing!"

[Akio-]

if you've seen his instagram he doesn't exactly seem like a sane person

and when the emails were sent, they were sent with the thoughts that something like wikileaks would not happen. they were codewords used explicitly between 2 people.

[Perry]

if you've seen his instagram he doesn't exactly seem like a sane person

everyone has their weird kink stuff that they dont want nobody to see. its just weird that he actually posted it in the first place. All ages i guess?

lets not get started on people's anime folders

[Master Matthew²]

the main suspicions aren't based on the images, just things i found interesting when looking into it.

the core of the theory is based on the podesta emails, where there is indisputably sketchy language going on, exclusively referring to pizza / pasta related things and "pizza parties" that directly translates with the FBI's child enthusiasm slang legend. it's especially sketchy considering the website for cosmic ping pong has extremely tight security for a casual pizza place along with a secret login place that allegedly leads to a file download page

along with very convenient ties with the owners of the shops (james alefantis or w/e his name is having VERY suspicious and creep-related instagram posts) it is absolutely unfair completely discredit it and condescendingly mock everyone who disagrees with you. there's valid reasons to be skeptical on both sides.

you also show how things are loosely connected and don't tie together, you are disagreeing with the podesta's kidnapping a child (seems too wild anyways) and the oddly coincidental signs used as logos.

While the thing about the signs being coincidental in shape isn't overlooked, the fact that its a pizzeria, and the term 'pizza' is used in emails as it would be to be expected based off of the FBI's child enthusiasm slang legend, seems too coincidental, almost as if someone planned for this to be found and put in fail safes.

[Master Matthew²]

The one thing that doesn't add up is why they're using blatantly flagged codewords. Like, if i'm the top representative of some government stuff and a target of cyberhacking at any moment i'd think of some more creative codewords for illicit stuff than the most common one- pizza.

Also, the logos don't make sense either. They're both clearly similar to two child enthusiasm symbols but that's the other aspect that doesn't add up. Why the hell would any child predator try intentionally to make it known that they are interested in child enthusiasm in the first place? Like it logically doesn't make any sense. These people sat down and said "I want to make my restaurant blatantly related to child enthusiasm. They'll never suspect a thing!"

It makes sense when the person in question has put in pre-planned fail safes Like I had mentioned in my previous post, as well as taking note that the person in question expects to be protected by being above the law in a sense.

When you can get out of crimes such as mishandling classified information, then it would be expected of them to stop being so careful.

[TeeOS]

The one thing that doesn't add up is why they're using blatantly flagged codewords. Like, if i'm the top representative of some government stuff and a target of cyberhacking at any moment i'd think of some more creative codewords for illicit stuff than the most common one- pizza.

the codewords will eventually be decoded anyways, might as well use ones that the creep community is also very familiar with

also i dont think they were expecting the emails to be released
if they were, they would've been more careful about security to make sure they never got out in the first place

you could possibly expect other nations or powerful people in your nation to spy on you but if they're in on it too or if you have blackmail on them then they wont do stuff about it
however if a civilian does it then its a different situation

Also, the logos don't make sense either. They're both clearly similar to two child enthusiasm symbols but that's the other aspect that doesn't add up. Why the hell would any child predator try intentionally to make it known that they are interested in child enthusiasm in the first place? Like it logically doesn't make any sense. These people sat down and said "I want to make my restaurant blatantly related to child enthusiasm. They'll never suspect a thing!"

these logos are only blatantly related to child enthusiasm because we have the FBI document that identifies them

how long do you think Besta has gone using their old logo in public until they changed it recently?

they arent sitting down thinking their restaurant is going to be related to child enthusiasm, they're thinking up a front they can use to disguise their backdoor operations, be that possible child trafficking or money laundering

[Poliwhirl]

it is absolutely unfair completely discredit it and condescendingly mock everyone who disagrees with you. there's valid reasons to be skeptical on both sides.

i'm not trying to be condescending. (see:

Why Smart People Defend Bad Ideas

)
im just pointing out that it's a common trend for people to get carried away in the mob mentality of internet detective shenanigans. doesn't make you (not you specifically) stupid, just means you're being taken for a ride by a frantic crowd of people, and in the heat of the moment, every inside joke or out of context strange wording seems to fit together like a convenient puzzle piece. in actuality, the FBI would be investigating something so obvious even that some people on reddit have caught onto.