Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) has sprung a leak, polluting Ash Coulee Creek

[otto-san]

Really? The less powerful a person is the less sympathy I have for them.
I really hate how in modern society everyone sides with the underdog.

you have less sympathy for people too weak to fight for themselves? are you meaning to say something else

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[beachbum111111]

I'm not actually entirely sure on whether this was a reasonable fight, but I feel obligated to support it after the stuff these guys have had to go through. Throwing tear-gas, firing rounds at, spraying freezing water in subzero temperature and beating/arresting peaceful protesters (many of which literally just sit down and pray) is insane and instantly isolates people from a cause.

I haven't seen any of this. Mind dropping a link?

Misguided people with their hearts in the right place are MUCH easier to support than corporate starfishs willing to do what they want by any means possible.

Feels > Reals? Easier to support doesn't mean they are right.

[Poliwhirl]

Really? The less powerful a person is the less sympathy I have for them.
I really hate how in modern society everyone sides with the underdog.

this post is cartoonishly fascist

[Alternat¡ve]

We support people that can't support themselves. If you exclusively support those who can already support themselves--you're an starfish.

aren't you the guy who said any person who doesn't support socialism/communism is inherently selfish

[Ipquarx]

aren't you the guy who said any person who doesn't support socialism/communism is inherently selfish

Even if that was true...

[McZealot]

I haven't seen any of this. Mind dropping a link?

It's just as easy to do your own research, but okay:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/21/police-citing-ongoing-riot-use-water-cannons-on-dakota-access-protesters-in-freezing-weather/
http://usuncut.com/resistance/journalist-shot-standing-rock/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/29/standing-rock-protester-shot-in-face-with-tear-gas-canister-may-go-blind.html

This isn't to say that the protestors haven't been violent, but the Native Elders get very upset and try to avoid violence at all costs. You can't bring weapons, even things like pocket knives, with a lot of the protests.  Also, it's a lot harder to control a mob of protestors than an armed police force, so we can't attribute every protestor action to the tribe.

Feels > Reals? Easier to support doesn't mean they are right.

No, and I even said that in my post. I'm not openly supporting the protestors, but since I'm not a mustache-twirling fascist I'm not gonna root for the corporation tear-gassing people trying to pray in the road.

aren't you the guy who said any person who doesn't support socialism/communism is inherently selfish

I do believe it's inherently selfish to not want to help people, since that's kinda the definition of the term. That seemed to go in-line with my post?

[Nickpb 4.0]

Why would people pray in a road. Run them the forget over

Before you scream at me zealot i'm well aware why you'd actually protest on a road

[McZealot]

Why would people pray in a road. Run them the forget over

They prayed in a road because it worked.

[New Year]

I do believe it's inherently selfish to not want to help people, since that's kinda the definition of the term. That seemed to go in-line with my post?

Help people in a way that helps the state. If helping someone is to the detriment to others, even indirectly, then it is no longer good.

We support people that can't support themselves. If you exclusively support those who can already support themselves--you're an starfish.

A lot of those who can't support themselves either did something to make themselves not deserve support, or they have some serious disadvantages (social, economic, or genetic) that *really* shouldn't be passed on to the next generation, much less rewarded. The exceptions should only require support temporarily (e.g. unemployment between jobs), or as a condition of a previous agreement (military veterens that enlist with the promise they'll receive support afterwards).

you have less sympathy for people too weak to fight for themselves? are you meaning to say something else

You know the saying "might makes right?" Well it seems that social justice is founded on the principle that "weakness makes right" which in my opinion is even worse. You don't deserve anything simply for having some weakness, and your value as a person should primarily be measured based on your contribution to society.

They prayed in a road because it worked.

We weren't hard enough on them, then.

[Ipquarx]

I think we're forgetting why they were forced to reroute.

It was their land, and the DAPL construction company legally had no right to build on that land without permission. Permission was not given, so they were forced to reroute. The judge agreed.

Whether their protesting was in vain or not is a different subject entirely.

[Conan]

-lots of stuff-

so i see you are an ayn rand fan. well i'll let you know that under this judgement i should go and commit Self Delete cause forget me im hardly doing anything good or important or helpful in life and id rather not be out on the streets homeless

like seriously im not sure where im gonna go after college, if i even finish college. at this rate i might as well buy a gun and shoot myself before i cost my parents anything more.

also note that some of the "serious disadvantages" come from not getting proper support previously. with the path you're taking you'd end up with a singular-view society without any diversity in thought or practice, as a single view or kind of view becomes dominant and necessary to survive/be successful.

[beachbum111111]

but since I'm not a mustache-twirling fascist I'm not gonna root for the corporation tear-gassing people trying to pray in the road.

I didn't realize that corporations in America are allowed to own a private army...

[otto-san]

You know the saying "might makes right?" Well it seems that social justice is founded on the principle that "weakness makes right" which in my opinion is even worse. You don't deserve anything simply for having some weakness, and your value as a person should primarily be measured based on your contribution to society.

ok i think i get what you're saying and it makes sense now. i don't personally think there's anything wrong with supporting and promoting the efforts of people who are at a power disadvantage. it's definitely important that power minorities are able to be heard in the political process. the idea that otherwise questionable actions are justified as a result of a lack of power is obv weird tho, and i figure that's what you're actually talking about

[New Year]

so i see you are an ayn rand fan. well i'll let you know that under this judgement i should go and commit Self Delete cause forget me im hardly doing anything good or important or helpful in life and id rather not be out on the streets homeless

I'm literally the oppisite of a libertarian. I believe technological/financial/martial/cultural progress should Annoying Orange freedom and that the collective should come before the individual.

like seriously im not sure where im gonna go after college, if i even finish college. at this rate i might as well buy a gun and shoot myself before i cost my parents anything more.

Taking a loan for college is fine, I just hope you're not there for arts on the state's dime.

also note that some of the "serious disadvantages" come from not getting proper support previously. with the path you're taking you'd end up with a singular-view society without any diversity in thought or practice, as a single view or kind of view becomes dominant and necessary to survive/be successful.

Unity is strength, if I believe something is wrong then I will not want to live with those who do it or believe it to be right. Ideological diversity ruins societies.

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this post is cartoonishly fascist

DrenDran is literally a fascist