Author Topic: [NEWS] Syrian Army regains control of eastern Aleppo  (Read 3343 times)

i don't usually condone getting involved where we don't belong, but fighting fascists is always okay
we also started the problem so we should fix it
« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 11:20:17 PM by Nonnel »

Hey guys remember last time we took out a nation's leader in the Middle East?

And remember how that turned out?

Hey guys remember last time we took out a nation's leader in the Middle East?

And remember how that turned out?
Peace talks / No fly zones that allow a buffer for syrian civilians to flee and not get hurt =/= killing of saddam hussein

Plus he ordered a bunch of Sunni civilians to be executed without trial so he deserved to be removed from power for human rights violations.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 11:30:51 PM by Perry »

Assad is actively destroying his own cities and slaughtering his own people. This is the modern world, there are no far-off places of which we know nothing.

Bit of a tangent, but there are four main causes of problems in the modern middle east. Oil, diversity, authoritarian governments, and fundamentalism. Syria has all four of these, a dubious honor only shared with Iraq.
Hey guys remember last time we took out a nation's leader in the Middle East?

And remember how that turned out?
That's because we had no plan to replace him and left a vacuum. It is possible to remove dictators without causing this if you have a plan to replace them.

The only pointless war was the second gulf war after 9/11 in which they went to check out some nuclear weapons that didn't even exist, which was the CIA's fault but was pretty much backed by the Bush Administration

The first gulf war was to stop Iraq from invading Kuwait. It's not really pointless to come to the aid of your political ally when they're being threatened by another country. Now we're in a proxy war because rebels in syria want democracy so it's essentially the vietnam war except we're on the side that wants freedom.

When there's people being threatened and human rights violations being committed, it should be the hero's job to intervene and end the conflict.

Yeah, except it wasn't just about nuclear weapons. Saddam was just as bad, if not worse, than Assad. He also used chemical weapons against his own people (the Kurds specifically) and he and the Ba'athists basically ruled Iraq like Assad is right now (in fact, Assad, too, is a Ba'athist). The guy ran show elections twice where he got 99.9% of the vote, and his children would go around torturing, raping and murdering anyone they didn't like. His son Uday alone would drag athletes on the national team who didn't do that well through rocks and then dump them in sewage, kidnap young Iraqi women off the street and rape them, and he would even use the loving iron maiden on people who got on his bad side. I could go on about the Husseins, but you get my point. He and Assad are basically the same.

The reason people are so apprehensive about getting involved in Syria even a little bit is because of not only what happened in Iraq but more recently in Libya. We merely funded rebels there and dropped a few bombs to get Gaddafi out and all of a sudden they're in another civil war with each other and attacking our embassies. It's not because "ew sand-mondays why should I help them 9/11 never forget". It's because it doesn't loving work.

Not to mention you lauded Matthew for suggesting we're going to upset Russia by going to war in Syria and then you literally prove his point saying:
It's not really pointless to come to the aid of your political ally when they're being threatened by another country.

You don't get to say that one war is bad, then turn around and praise the same war in a different dress. Either you like them both, or you don't.

Not to mention you lauded Matthew for suggesting we're going to upset Russia by going to war in Syria and then you literally prove his point saying:
You don't get to say that one war is bad, then turn around and praise the same war in a different dress. Either you like them both, or you don't.
The difference is that Russia has already been found to attack a UN convoy delivering aid and hasn't been held responsible, and as well was conducting air strikes on eastern Aleppo with the Syrian government. Russia is essentially being US during vietnam war and going the extra mile, far enough to commit war crimes.

War is bad period. There's no such thing as a good war. It's simply protecting people who are being oppressed and ensuring that peace is met swiftly. The civil war in Syria is a mess on all sides since you have civilians being killed not even in warzone conditions but even in their homes. It's still an atrocity.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/middleeast/aleppo-syria-government-gains/index.html

on a better note, the killing of those 82 civilians marked the Syrian Army's official regaining of control over eastern Aleppo. They're currently working out a peace treaty with the Rebels so right now there's a cessation of military activity. For the time being people are somewhat safe.

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"So there's no question about cessation of hostilities, or humanitarian operations. The Syrian government has established control over east Aleppo so now the stage has come for practical humanitarian initiatives."
At the same time, sources inside Aleppo tell CNN a ceasefire and evacuation agreement has been reached in the beleaguered eastern part of the city.

Yeah but what is Aleppo?

Yeah but what is Aleppo?
i require an explanation as to what the phrase "a leppo" pertains to

i require an explanation as to what the phrase "a leppo" pertains to


is it that forgetin hard to look up yourself

What exactly is a "leppo" ?

you're right they didn't eat their babies,

What a shame. That's wasting good meat.