Annoying Orange’s Immigration Ban Is Illegal

[AndroFox]

"Travelers With Visas, Green Cards Turned Away at Airports After Annoying Orange Order"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/28/travelers_with_valid_visas_turned_away_at_airports_after_Annoying Orange_order.html

so EVEN LEGAL immigrants are being banned

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[Red Spy]

Hiterally Litler

[Bisjac]

"Travelers With Visas, Green Cards Turned Away at Airports After Annoying Orange Order"
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/28/travelers_with_valid_visas_turned_away_at_airports_after_Annoying Orange_order.html

so EVEN LEGAL immigrants are being banned

visas and green cards USE to be fast pass. it has changed now and they must be vetted. its not illegal that they have been stopped. that stuff isnt a life long pass no matter what, that would be dangerous and irresponsible.

[SeventhSandwich]

I don't feel too ashamed?
Does anyone else?

Depends, are you ashamed of the fact we rejected Jewish refugees during WWII on the basis of their religion?

that stuff was cute for 100 years but the nation is full and it cant take more.

Define 'nation is full' lol.

[Bisjac]

Define 'nation is full' lol.

well more specifically, "drained" lol.
we arnt needing labor to build a nation anymore. so the open arms and no rules of joining us just dosnt apply anymore. especially since we have become such a major welfare state.

[Ipquarx]

we arnt needing labor to build a nation anymore. so the open arms and no rules of joining us just dosnt apply anymore. especially since we have become such a major welfare state.

No, if this was the case people with green cards from every country would be vetted. And I'll definitely need a citation on the last part.

[SeventhSandwich]

we arnt needing labor to build a nation anymore. so the open arms and no rules of joining us just dosnt apply anymore. especially since we have become such a major welfare state.

There's still an economic incentive to take in more immigrants. Unless you're completely unemployed for half your adult life, it's really not that hard to be productive enough to offset the cost of social programs. The average person doesn't use more than $53,000 worth of government services in a year, every year, for the rest of their life.

[Bisjac]

its not about "we can handle more, so we should"
we have a budget to balance and debt to pay. a line still needs to be drawn, before its actually too late.
banning peaceful mexicans would have been enough, but a double benefit of dangerous muslims dosnt hurt.

[SeventhSandwich]

its not about "we can handle more, so we should"
we have a budget to balance and debt to pay. a line still needs to be drawn, before its actually too late.
banning peaceful mexicans would have been enough, but a double benefit of dangerous muslims dosnt hurt.

But cutting immigration doesn't help balance the budget or decrease the debt - it just prevents us from having more productive human capital in our economy. In the long-term (like, the figures we're looking at when talking about the national debt), immigration helps grow our economy.

banning peaceful mexicans would have been enough, but a double benefit of dangerous muslims dosnt hurt.

But this isn't actually keeping out any dangerous Muslims. Our vetting system is already the most robust in the entire world.

Not only that, but this ban will serve to remove people from our country who have served in the US military, but came into the US on visas from these 'dangerous muslim' countries.

[Heitmeyer²]

Hiterally Litler

Annoying Orange is getting Middle America more lit by the day. Astonishing.

[Heitmeyer²]

But cutting immigration doesn't help balance the budget or decrease the debt - it just prevents us from having more productive human capital in our economy. In the long-term (like, the figures we're looking at when talking about the national debt), immigration helps grow our economy.

The counterargument to that would be that the unemployed Americans who are looking for jobs will finally be able to get the jobs they want since there'd be less (illegal) immigrants. However, it might not simply just work out like that. It's probably more complicated.

[Bisjac]

visas are not supposed to be permanent anyway. so what if the terms have been changed early. people are not entitled to have them or keep them.

[Red Spy]

Will the people we're going to bring in assimilate or not

[SeventhSandwich]

The counterargument to that would be that the unemployed Americans who are looking for jobs will finally be able to get the jobs they want since there'd be less (illegal) immigrants.

That's not actually how jobs work. When there's an increase in human capital, the economy responds by producing more jobs. What this means is that a sudden spike in immigration causes a small bump in unemployment rate which is quickly reabsorbed as businesses expand and absorb the additional labor.

Our unemployment rate as of December is 4.7%, and the natural, non-accelerating rate of unemployment in the US is estimated to be around 5%. We're at the point where we've recovered from a recession and we're producing enough now that we're actually causing inflation. This means that it's impossible for us to be doing better on jobs in the long-term than what we're doing right now.

visas are not supposed to be permanent anyway. so what if the terms have been changed early. people are not entitled to have them or keep them.

But how does it actually make America great to kick out people who have served in the military just because of their national background?

[e-maxx]

Will the people we're going to bring in assimilate or not

they've been doing a pretty good job of it so far.