loving idiot on r/pcmasterrace guts an original xbox development kit...

[Trymos]

The "only 50 of these" number is also bullstuff. There might be 50 in public circulation from cunt leakers, but thousands of units would have been produced for developers to test on.

the thing is: this wasn't an ordinary dev kit.

this is the same dev kit case that was used in extremely early (pre xbox release) development.
so if you hit the lottery and land on a microsoft xbox dashboard/xbox drivers dev kit, it makes the biggest difference.

most of them ARE just stuffty random dev kits that might have a halo 1 alpha or something. but that possibility was still there and was what ended up causing freemcboot to exist for the PS2 as some clever person got a hold of a ps3 dev kit that held encryption keys which allowed them to find out a way to boot off of a ps2 memory card (sort of like a pandoras battery except without the battery)

Exactly how I loving said it works. It's a version of the console with higher specc'd hardware that allows attached USB devices. Why would it be any different from that? You don't make games on the consoles...
There's. No. Files. On. It.

Dev-kits very rarely have any attached storage, the same as the standard console. It's not necessary, as it's expected the end developer will have a device to store their data.

no, it's a version of the console with higher specc'd hardware that allows attached USB devices and unauthorized application execution, along with massive amounts of built in debugging functionality.

also, xbox dev kits also require system software to run obviously.
xbox is an x86 device and as such generally requires bootable media to even start...

...and since you can't boot directly to games through some miracle that's where the xbox dashboard and built in harddrives come into play. so the luck chance is still there that you could find some source code of xbox drivers or the xbox dashboard. the chance is not high since it's microsoft we're talking about here, but even microsoft has its leaks (windows 2000 source)

aand one final thing here: he's bullstuffting, the case is a bit rough but somehow clear in the picture which can be attributed to it possibly being 3d printed and cleverly painted.

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[Red Spy]

This thread is a circlejerk of rage holy stuff

[Ahead]

generally requires bootable media to even start...

I believe the OS is stored in the ROM, compressed.

When the user turns on the console, the system software is decompressed out of read-only memory (ROM) into random access memory (RAM). Once in RAM, the system software initializes the hardware (DVD, audio, video, and so on).

After the hardware has been initialized, the system software will display the boot graphic and play the startup sound. Because there are no video or audio drivers in the kernel, this is done by poking the registers of the sound and video card directly. This graphic and sound will play approximately 1 second from the time the machine is turned on.

[Hansome duded]

there is a lot of hate but yea i agree stupid decision

[cooolguy32]

What the forget is wrong with people?

[Ipquarx]

aand one final thing here: he's bullstuffting, the case is a bit rough but somehow clear in the picture which can be attributed to it possibly being 3d printed and cleverly painted.

I dunno, it just looks like a really potato picture.

[McJob]

the thing is: this wasn't an ordinary dev kit.

Yeah, it was.

this is the same dev kit case that was used in extremely early (pre xbox release) development.
so if you hit the lottery and land on a microsoft xbox dashboard/xbox drivers dev kit, it makes the biggest difference.

Absolutely not. There is fundamentally no difference between this and the other type of original Xbox dev-kit, outside of the body shell and the fact that there's hundreds of screeching handicaps who think a dev-kit is worth anything without the actual KIT part (the Certification Documents and the SDK).

most of them ARE just stuffty random dev kits that might have a halo 1 alpha or something. but that possibility was still there and was what ended up causing freemcboot to exist for the PS2 as some clever person got a hold of a ps3 dev kit that held encryption keys which allowed them to find out a way to boot off of a ps2 memory card (sort of like a pandoras battery except without the battery)

THERE'S. NO. FILES. ON. A. DEV. KIT.

Finding magic numbers is a VERY long shot from finding the kind of information needed to make a reliable emulator. The "encryption keys" are a very tiny part of what was necessary to make FreeMCBoot work. They made the process easier, but it wasn't like it was out of the realm of possibility without them.

...and since you can't boot directly to games through some miracle that's where the xbox dashboard and built in harddrives come into play. so the luck chance is still there that you could find some source code of xbox drivers or the xbox dashboard. the chance is not high since it's microsoft we're talking about here, but even microsoft has its leaks (windows 2000 source)

This is the biggest pile of stuff I've ever heard of in my entire life.

The Windows 2000/NT source leaks are a completely separate issue entirely. The included HDD is empty, intended for a developer to install their own software in as opposed to burning a disc during the earlier stages of development. As with ANY console, the Operating System is on a separate NVRAM Flash Chip which can be overwritten for software updates (which is why your home console needs to be restarted during a firmware update).

Why the forget would Microsoft put their source code on a development kit, intended for other developers, in plain sight? It's stupid talk.

[Mr Queeba]

i mean, if the carpet didnt kill the parts, he could actually remove all the pc parts he put in, put back in the original dev hardware and such, and turn it over for some good $$$ so its not like all hope is lost
the whole "he destroyed the system!!!" thing is an over exaggeration. he didnt actually destroy it, the parts are still there.

[crazies alt]

mcjob show us your dev kit

[McJob]

mcjob show us your dev kit

No. I don't own them, and they're under heavy NDA.

If you get jobs with Ubisoft, the company I'm currently working for or my college, I'll happily show you were we keep the developer kits.

[SteveJenkins]

i mean, if the carpet didnt kill the parts, he could actually remove all the pc parts he put in, put back in the original dev hardware and such, and turn it over for some good $$$ so its not like all hope is lost

he said he doesn't want to sell it though and I don't see why people insist he does, if its his let him keep the damn thing

[Mr Queeba]

he said he doesn't want to sell it though and I don't see why people insist he does, if its his let him keep the damn thing

he can keep the system if he wants, im just saying hes kinda missing an opportunity (that is, if some collector wants to actually pay a lot of money for it, which not every person would want to do, but there ARE people out there that will pay good money for it)
also, another note: this isnt like the only alpha tower out there. if you go online, you'll see that theres other people that have this same dev kit, and the devkits did contain early xbox software (dashboard and such) but no like actual games

[McJob]

Who the forget is going to want some 17 year old PC which is incapable of doing anything?

im just saying hes kinda missing an opportunity

You're missing the point that there is NO value in this device whatsoever.

[MoltenKitten]

The only people this would have any value for is an extreme collector

[kongo]

tfw the only reason i didn't care is because i had no idea why a dev kit would be special :'^ )