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Customization: A wide range of customization options, distributions, and desktop environments to choose from

For the same amount of effort, Windows also offers a deep level of customisation and flexibility. A lot of that is hidden behind the mask of the Command Prompt, Group Policy Editor or the Registry Editor, but any decent power user will know how to find what they're looking for.

Unlike Windows, Linux operating systems have less, if not zero surveillance.

This is the biggest pile of stuff I've ever heard in my entire life. Nobody is watching you download hentai on Windows 10. Just because you've historically been a paranoid forgetwit in every Windows 10 thread that's come up, doesn't mean you get to claim baseless speculation as fact.

Fast: Most Linux systems come with only the stuff you need, and the stuff you don't want can be easily removed and installed back.

Windows 10 also lets you add and remove the things you don't want on the fly, and it comes with a wide range of functionality that everybody can find a use for.

Customization is little to none: Windows does not allow you to modify more than the colors by default. It requires heavy tweaking in order to have even the simplest things change, and you cannot change your desktop environment.

Which proves that you didn't spend more than 20 seconds in any Windows operating system.

Spyware: Windows, in the past, has allowed the NSA to use a fail proof key to get into anyone's computers. Windows 10 has also been proven to send your images and other files to different databases. It also collects your data for advertising on your lock screen, start menu, and regularly monitors any microphones you have to check if you have said things like "Hey Cortana". Microsoft is also a part of the NSA's "PRISM" program.

See above. You are a tin-foil wearing rooster-jockey.

Ad ware implementations: Microsoft reserves the right to regularly advertise and install whatever apps they want to without your input or choice.

This is a curious one to me, because I haven't actually seen it in effect, and I know that anybody could very easily push malicious code to any Linux distribution's core. What's your point?

You come off as a raving lunatic. This is embarrassing. Let's just remember my other arguments I wrote today;

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Can't play 90% of my game library.
Can't use any of my asset extraction tools.
Can't use any my game development tools (or at least, they aren't as stable as Windows/Mac).
Can't use any of my audio library management tools.
Can't use my video production tools.
Can't use my media file conversion tools.
Can't use my programming tools.
Can't use my writing and time management applications.
Can't escape the fact that by admitting I'm proud to use Linux as my main OS, I'm a pretentious knobwank.

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Why the forget would I use a "not an emulator" to run the stuff that I could just run natively? Yeah, I'd love to sacrifice additional performance AND even gain some additional bugs while running my applications. Smart idea.

There's literally no benefit to any flavour of Linux over Windows, aside from the purported "freedom" you gain, which is relatively zero benefit to the average user, or even most power users. Windows even has more features out of the box.

The only benefit Linux has is that it's free, but you get exactly what you pay for.

EDIT: Another legitimate purpose of UNIX/LINUX is that, being open-source, it can be modified and deployed on custom hardware, which is why it's extremely popular for integrated systems and commercial applications. Again, however, that doesn't help 90% of consumers who won't go anywhere near the source.

The fact of the matter is that Linux is such a roundabout way to accomplish such a limited set of tasks. Have fun using your open-source software that has less than half the functionality of my commercial software.

Outland Predator · January 31, 2017, 10:44:19 PM

McJob coming in locked and loaded.

Foxscotch · January 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM

I know that anybody could very easily push malicious code to any Linux distribution's core.

literally no

Can't play 90% of my game library.
Can't use any of my asset extraction tools.
Can't use any my game development tools (or at least, they aren't as stable as Windows/Mac).
Can't use any of my audio library management tools.
Can't use my video production tools.
Can't use my media file conversion tools.
Can't use my programming tools.
Can't use my writing and time management applications.
Can't escape the fact that by admitting I'm proud to use Linux as my main OS, I'm a pretentious knobwank.

if you only program with VS and other traditionally-windows tools, it's pretty meaningless to complain about linux not having them because: obviously
and if your media players aren't available on linux, that's not really a problem with linux? VLC is wonderful, and available for all of the three big operating systems
being proud of using linux is no less pretentious than being proud of using windows or OS X. or, for that matter, being proud of anything at all that didn't require serious effort on your part

if you think there is zero benefit to using linux, then you're just intentionally ignoring facts because it supports your viewpoints better that way
I use windows and honestly I can't see myself maining linux, but to pretend that windows is the perfect operating system for everyone and for all uses, just so I can act like a big whiny baby on an internet forum, would be kind of lame, huh?

and you really are acting like a baby. why do you care if someone else uses linux? why do you even care if they imply windows is bad? you don't develop windows. it's not a personal attack. windows still has the vast majority of the market share, so it's not like you can reasonably be worried about someone on the internet convincing people to give less money to a multinational corporation with several billion dollars of revenue every year. so what is it?

Aide33 · January 31, 2017, 11:00:13 PM

mcjob confirmed microsoft shill

I like linux because I actually use it for work/school/everything

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Can't use my programming tools.

now if this is the biggest loving horsestuff i've heard.

I go to school as a software engineer and like 70% of our work is done on Linux/Unix/etc.
Development environments on linux are extremely powerful, I don't know for game dev though, but any other commercial programming is mostly done on mac/linux because of a great shell and a stable environment.\

The only time you see devs jumping ship to windows is because of Visual studio or C# but that's for windows dev

Nal · January 31, 2017, 11:06:34 PM

McJob I'm trying to be constructive here so don't think this is anything personal against you.

For the same amount of effort, Windows also offers a deep level of customisation and flexibility. A lot of that is hidden behind the mask of the Command Prompt, Group Policy Editor or the Registry Editor, but any decent power user will know how to find what they're looking for

I'm going to have to disagree with that, Linux offers completely different desktops if you don't like said desktop. It's like comparing iOS to Android, Android gives you options, but with compromises. iOS provides a similar experience for everyone.

Also I don't think there's any easy way of changing something as simple as the icons on windows without doing something dumb, sooo.

This is the biggest pile of stuff I've ever heard in my entire life. Nobody is watching you download hentai on Windows 10. Just because you've historically been a paranoid forgetwit in every Windows 10 thread that's come up, doesn't mean you get to claim baseless speculation as fact.

I agree.

Windows 10 also lets you add and remove the things you don't want on the fly, and it comes with a wide range of functionality that everybody can find a use for.

Again, Linux can be configured to how you like. Yes it is a lot faster in some cases, in others it sucks. (Unity)

Can't play 90% of my game library.

True. However it really only hammers big titles at the current state.

Can't use any of my asset extraction tools.
Can't use any my game development tools (or at least, they aren't as stable as Windows/Mac).
Can't use any of my audio library management tools.
Can't use my video production tools.
Can't use my media file conversion tools.
Can't use my programming tools.
Can't use my writing and time management applications.
Can't escape the fact that by admitting I'm proud to use Linux as my main OS, I'm a pretentious knobwank.

The rest of this is very specific, so I'd rather hear what specifically, I'm not trying to convince you to switch, but I'm just letting you know there are alternatives on Linux.

GIMP is terrible though, that funny enough is a pretty big turn off for me with linux.

Not to be a mediator, but

Quote from: Foxscotch on January 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM

Ad ware implementations: Microsoft reserves the right to regularly advertise and install whatever apps they want to without your input or choice.

This has literally never happened. You can turn off suggestions in the start menu, but they have never outright installed any bloatware.

McJob · January 31, 2017, 11:07:51 PM

if you only program with VS and other traditionally-windows tools, it's pretty meaningless to complain about linux not having them because: obviously

I use Visual Studio because I've yet to find another IDE with the same wide scope of tools, particularly for refactoring and debugging.

Quote from: Foxscotch on January 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM

and if your media players aren't available on linux, that's not really a problem with linux? VLC is wonderful, and available for all of the three big operating systems

Ignoring the media players for obscure and weird game audio formats; I've yet to find a single media player, outside of iTunes and some weird stuff my friend made, which has support for playlist folders. Probably doesn't sound like much, but that is personally a big deal for me.

Quote from: Foxscotch on January 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM

if you think there is zero benefit to using linux, then you're just intentionally ignoring facts because it supports your viewpoints better that way

Then where's the benefits? I've been asking all goddam day. Why would I consider using Linux over Windows in any situation?

Quote from: Foxscotch on January 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM

but to pretend that windows is the perfect operating system for everyone and for all uses

The only two instances where I can think this isn't true is for people making integrated systems and for the fringe crowd. Maybe for system admins, but even then...

Quote from: Foxscotch on January 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM

just so I can act like a big whiny baby on an internet forum, would be kind of lame, huh?

And congratulations to you for rushing in to white knight your favourite operating system of choice. What a hero.

Quote from: Foxscotch on January 31, 2017, 10:59:07 PM

why do you care if someone else uses linux?

D and I have beef. This is a man who I've had legendary rows with because he won't drop the fact he's a conspiracy-focused nutcase. That's exactly why I replied. Had he not said a word about Windows, I wouldn't have raised a single complaint. I respect Linux as an alternative, but when somebody wants to spit in my face and dig up old arguments they lost...I ain't letting that slide.

otto-san · January 31, 2017, 11:14:09 PM

talk to me when i can sudo apt-get install me some hot poontang

d · January 31, 2017, 11:14:35 PM

1: For the same amount of effort, Windows also offers a deep level of customisation and flexibility. A lot of that is hidden behind the mask of the Command Prompt, Group Policy Editor or the Registry Editor, but any decent power user will know how to find what they're looking for.
2: This is the biggest pile of stuff I've ever heard in my entire life. Nobody is watching you download hentai on Windows 10. Just because you've historically been a paranoid forgetwit in every Windows 10 thread that's come up, doesn't mean you get to claim baseless speculation as fact.
3: Which proves that you didn't spend more than 20 seconds in any Windows operating system.
4:See above. You are a tin-foil wearing rooster-jockey.
5: This is a curious one to me, because I haven't actually seen it in effect, and I know that anybody could very easily push malicious code to any Linux distribution's core. What's your point?

6: You come off as a raving lunatic. This is embarrassing. Let's just remember my other arguments I wrote today;

The fact of the matter is that Linux is such a roundabout way to accomplish such a limited set of tasks. Have fun using your open-source software that has less than half the functionality of my commercial software.

1: Sure. The whole point of what I said here was to show that you can modify Linux systems visually on a level greater than Windows 10 allows you to. I'm sorry that confused you.
2: It's possible that nobody is watching you in particular, but is it OK to spy on people just because you're not the target? This is a similar argument to "If you have nothing to hide, why should you be worried"?
3: Do you have any proof that you can modify anything further than the colors, the desktop background, and start menu on a vanilla Windows installation?
4. Here's some proof that Windows 10 and/or other Microsoft operating systems spies/spied on you:
https://duo.com/blog/bring-your-own-dilemma-oem-laptops-and-windows-10-security
http://www.itproportal.com/2014/05/14/microsoft-openly-offered-cloud-data-fbi-and-nsa/
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article40836.html
https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-personal-data-abused/
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
https://web.archive.org/web/20151001035410/https://jonathan.porta.codes/2015/07/30/windows-10-seems-to-have-some-scary-privacy-defaults/
5: What do you mean by "anybody could very easily push malicious code to any Linux distribution's core"? Yes, companies that make Linux distributions can push malicious things to their operating system. You need to remember this is the benefit of open-source: Anyone can modify it their self and then distribute that. If a distribution suddenly had spyware on it, other people can just remove it and then stop using the regular version of it. Windows, on the other hand, is proprietary closed-source, and you cannot remove it fully.
Here is one case of the problem I mentioned in effect:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/15/candy-crush-windows_n_7292266.html

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O: Can't play 90% of my game library.
   Can't use any of my asset extraction tools.
   Can't use any my game development tools (or at least, they aren't as stable as Windows/Mac).
   Can't use any of my audio library management tools.
   Can't use my video production tools.
   Can't use my media file conversion tools.
   Can't use my programming tools.
   Can't use my writing and time management applications.
6: Can't escape the fact that by admitting I'm proud to use Linux as my main OS, I'm a pretentious knobwank.

O: What programs are you using? I'd be more than happy to help you find an alternative or way to get it working. Have you done really any research on those applications?
6: You are stereotyping here. If your impression of a Linux user is me and only me, you should expand your range of thinking. While I like posting about it, many people use it and don't need to say it.

Aide33 · January 31, 2017, 11:16:36 PM

The only two instances where I can think this isn't true is for people making integrated systems and for the fringe crowd. Maybe for system admins, but even then...

Literally most of the tech industry runs linux, the only place where no one runs it is because they have proprietary obligations like the apps you talked about (Unity, Visual Studio, AutoCAD and other industry tools)

Don't act like there's no one runs it when it has such a large market share.

It is good for loads of things, I admit OPs list has laughable reasons, but it is used.

Nal · January 31, 2017, 11:21:08 PM

Ignoring the media players for obscure and weird game audio formats; I've yet to find a single media player, outside of iTunes and some weird stuff my friend made, which has support for playlist folders. Probably doesn't sound like much, but that is personally a big deal for me.

VLC?? That's on linux

Then where's the benefits? I've been asking all goddam day. Why would I consider using Linux over Windows in any situation?

Hosting servers, dated hardware, or if you want customization and don't care about games

linux isn't for everybody mcjob

And congratulations to you for rushing in to white knight your favourite operating system of choice. What a hero.

afaik foxscotch doesn't even use linux lol

also you kind of barged into here trying to shut down any point the OP made so

D and I have beef. This is a man who I've had legendary rows with because he won't drop the fact he's a conspiracy-focused nutcase. That's exactly why I replied. Had he not said a word about Windows, I wouldn't have raised a single complaint. I respect Linux as an alternative, but when somebody wants to spit in my face and dig up old arguments they lost...I ain't letting that slide.

His points of NSA spying are dumb, but that really wasn't the purpose of the thread

Foxscotch · January 31, 2017, 11:22:18 PM

Then where's the benefits? I've been asking all goddam day. Why would I consider using Linux over Windows in any situation?

have you ever run a webserver? what about python development? ever tried to install something from source in windows?