Petition to recognize antifa as domestic terrorism

[TableSalt]

All they do now is throw bake sales

where have I heard this before

if you have nothing intelligent to add then don't post

dont give advice if you dont follow it yourself 👌

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[PhantOS]

where have I heard this before

everyone knows tony is the breadwinner of the harvest clan.
i bet he's cooking up something mean to say to you

[PhantOS]

dont give advice if you dont follow it yourself 👌

he says in one sentence to the person that just proposed a thorough argument

[TableSalt]

he says in one sentence to the person that just proposed a thorough argument

ooh scary big words like proposed and thorough you got me there

[Rally]

he says in one sentence to the person that just proposed a thorough argument

ok but you didn't actually propose a thorough argument you just made a bunch of conjecture with no supporting evidence

like these people "acting of their own volition" or whatever the forget are actively and proudly displaying their allegiance to antifa in most cases and also find sanctuary and protection from police in large groups of "moderate" and "peaceful" anti-fa protesters who totally don't support violence. if anti-fa was serious about being peaceful they'd actively seek out and ostracize/report these violent rioters

but they don't, because we all know that anti-fa benefits from the intimidation provided by these people "acting of their own collective" because they can instantly turn around and say "theyre acting of their own collective bro nothing to do with me"

[PhantOS]

ooh scary big words like proposed and thorough you got me there

see i saw your posts in the harvest thread and thought you were semi annoying but now i've changed my mind; you're actually fully annoying

ok but you didn't actually propose a thorough argument you just made a bunch of conjecture with no supporting evidence

like these people "acting of their own volition" or whatever the forget are actively and proudly displaying their allegiance to antifa in most cases and also find sanctuary and protection from police in large groups of "moderate" and "peaceful" anti-fa protesters who totally don't support violence. if anti-fa was serious about being peaceful they'd actively seek out and ostracize/report these violent rioters

but they don't, because we all know that anti-fa benefits from the intimidation provided by these people "acting of their own collective" because they can instantly turn around and say "theyre acting of their own collective bro nothing to do with me"

but that's the very thing i'm telling you. they are acting on their own collective. it doesn't matter if other members of antifa refuse to recognize it as a crime or condemn it, those who do that are complete handicaps. what matters is that antifa as a movement/group/organization doesn't visibly support that small collective of organized rioters who attacked Milo's event.

Known terrorist groups like IRA, CIA, Al qaeda, Hezbollah etc. all organize their own terror attacks, make it publicly known AND continue to take responsibility for the attacks and further support it. So far, antifa has shown that the first and second aspect is up in the air, and the third hasn't actually been done yet. Plus, antifa has no central leadership or organization since it's a loving movement, and therefore cannot command or decide on attacks.

If you have a tweet or message from whoever runs Antifa's website or coordination that says "shut this event down using violent means!" then I will be convinced without doubt that it is a terrorist faction. Until I see that, it is to be assumed that the attackers have no say or decision over antifa's actions, and acted on their own.

[TableSalt]

see i saw your posts in the harvest thread and thought you were semi annoying but now i've changed my mind; you're actually fully annoying

oh noes :(

[King Tøny]

Alright for example so a group of bikers known as the Hell's Angles go to some establishments to protest. Only a handful on their own members blow up the building and kill a bunch of people.

Is it not a terrorist group if they didn't organize the bombings?

[PhantOS]

Dylan Roof supported the neo national socialist & white supremacist movement, and decided one day to shoot up a historically black church. He was charged for everything that he did, which is correct. However, Neo national socialists didn't order or take credit for his attack on the church- he acted on his own, even though he flew the white supremacy flag. He acted on his own, independent of the movement or organization that he followed. Were there white supremacists that support him? yes. Were there white supremacists that think what he did was horrible? yes. However, the movement of white supremacy isn't responsible for what he did.

This same exact thing applies to antifa. So far, there is no evidence that antifa made the decision or order to carry out the attack on Milo's supporters. Until then, antifa cannot conceivably be held responsible for it. Those who perpetrated the crimes, however, can be, and they should by all means.

Alright for example so a group of bikers known as the Hell's Angles go to some establishments to protest. Only a handful on their own members blow up the building and kill a bunch of people.

Is it not a terrorist group if they didn't organize the bombings?

If they didn't organize the bombings, they are not a terrorist group. If antifa didn't organize the violence, keyword violence, that ensued at the event, they are not a terrorist group.

If 100 antifa people go to protest and 20 of them decide to go on a shooting spree, those 20 that committed the crime should be charged. If the 80 that didn't ordered them to do it, they should be held responsible for ordering it. However, if those 80 didn't have anything to do with the shooting, they should be let go, since they didn't commit a crime. This is what justice is- arresting people who commit crimes, not arresting people because they believe in the same ideology as the criminals.

[King Tøny]

Didn't realize you had to organize a bombing that could potentially kill hundreds of people to be recognized as terrorism.

Unorganized bombings are okay though.

[King Tøny]

As an organization leader if your members are beating people up and acting out of line, then kick them out of the group.

If the leaders don't kick these people out of the group, then the group as a whole is accountable.

They are terrorists.

[Rally]

but that's the very thing i'm telling you. they are acting on their own collective. it doesn't matter if other members of antifa refuse to recognize it as a crime or condemn it, those who do that are complete handicaps. what matters is that antifa as a movement/group/organization doesn't visibly support that small collective of organized rioters who attacked Milo's event.

Let's go rob a bank together. You go in and get the cash, I'll be the get away driver. I'm just driving down the road though, you're acting of your own volition. I haven't done anything violent. I can't be held responsible for what you do, right?

It is literally impossible to distinguish between "the TRUE Scotsman antifa" and "the fake antifa" when half of them are throwing around Molotov roostertails, beating the stuff out of people, and running around in absolute chaos.

Known terrorist groups like IRA, CIA, Al qaeda, Hezbollah etc. all organize their own terror attacks, make it publicly known AND continue to take responsibility for the attacks and further support it. So far, antifa has shown that the first and second aspect is up in the air, and the third hasn't actually been done yet. Plus, antifa has no central leadership or organization since it's a loving movement, and therefore cannot command or decide on attacks.

When are we gonna drop this "no leadership no consequences" bullstuff? You cannot organize an assembly of hundreds of loving people without 'leadership'. When people refer to "anti-fa" they aren't referring to everyone sitting on their couch at home tweeting "forget whitey #antifa" they're referring to the hundreds of people that organize in groups in the street to wreck stuff protest alongside a totally separate group of rioters under the same name/flag/event

If you have a tweet or message from whoever runs Antifa's website or coordination that says "shut this event down using violent means!" then I will be convinced without doubt that it is a terrorist faction. Until I see that, it is to be assumed that the attackers have no say or decision over antifa's actions, and acted on their own.

You realize that people were able to do this stuff before the internet, right? They're not going to pass down orders through a public twitter feed. Anti-fa, just like any other political organization, has a separate social media front for recruitment. Leaders, organizers and others interface with people like you and me through social media. It gives 0 insight into what actually happens within the organization.

[Rally]

Here's an idea: Lets start a new '''movement''' called 'Antifa 2' but this time we're actually going to accept responsibility for the outcome of massive political assemblies (instead of just blaming it on a 'lack of leadership') and prevent people who want to loving burn stuff and beat people in the street from attending our events

EDIT: And another new movement called "Black Lives Actually Really Matter This Time"

[Corderlain]

Don't use logic it's unfair for him.


Edit: Say it with me: terrorist.

[otto-san]

if you participated in protests against a highly controversial president, you are an accomplice to terrorism. apparently.