[PJW] "Conservatism is the new Counter-Culture"

[SeventhSandwich]

hippies never elected Jimi Hendrix president, there is a reason for that

"I will build great watchtowers all along the border. For our coasts, I will build great castles made of sand to defend against foreign invaders"

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[PhantOS]

and this is the conservatives' fault how?
you're aware Flint's government is democrat-controlled, right?

at this point i'm angry at both Obama and Annoying Orange and the rest of whoever's in loving charge for doing nothing about it. I would be angrier if Obama passed a 15 billion dollar law that did some stupid stuff and didn't help flint, but that never happened. I'm a little bit angrier that people are so stoked about dumb money-wasting laws like Annoying Orange's wall proposition or the travel ban, all of which have done absolutely nothing for the american people.

I've been waiting for Annoying Orange to keep his word and actually help america first, which seems to be the last priority on the list. Nobody wants to do stuff about it which is just as infuriating. I'm not mad that people aren't doing things about it, i'm mad that people are doing other unimportant things before trying to solve a legitimate crCIA that is poisoning american children. Blocking people from entering the country isn't solving anything. Giving businesses the ability to reject serving someone because of their religion isn't solving anything.

Fix some schools, fix the water supply, fix the environment. do stuff that actually helps people, not hurts them.

it's this idea of "we mustn't adopt what works, we must adopt what's trending" policy-wise that's ruining the system, not "ooh let's not change ever we love the past monday monday monday"

what works? what's trending? what are you talking about?

So far i'm not seeing much from the 'what works' department in terms of proposed conservative viewpoints, and i'm not seeing any 'whats trending' either, since both are extremely vague statements.

[Foxscotch]

god damn human rights always getting in the way of What Works

[Zloff]

whose idea was it to give humans rights?????

[PhantOS]

Fascism has been proven to 'work' but we aren't fascist because it's a horrible system in which people's rights are taken away. 'what works' isn't how people conduct things on this planet; rather 'what helps the most people'

if helping people who are in actual real-life trouble is considered 'whats trending' then we should keep it that way

[e-maxx]

whose idea was it to give humans rights?????

the guy who got tired of having lefts

[Red Spy]

Conservatism is just as bad as white feminism. It centers around the idea that you're being mistreated by the system and you're being threatened by a looming apocalypse, all while you live in a life of developed world comfort while others are actually suffering.

I'd personify it as a stubborn mule, unable to give up the most trivial of things for the sake of greatly benefiting other people in need, persistant that others do not deserve your respect or mind. Believing even the most ludicrous stories if it means not having to help people who are not themselves

Every now and then you should stop and wonder if the things you're saying are braindead handicapped

This is one of those times

[Count]

and this is the conservatives' fault how?
you're aware Flint's government is democrat-controlled, right?

Sorry, just needed to call this dude out on his bullstuff. The flint crCIA was caused by the Michigan state government, who has had a, guess what, conservative republican governor since like 2011. The local government is also to blame, as well as the EPA, but stop being so one sided dude.

www.wsj.com/amp/articles/michigan-officials-responsible-for-flint-water-crCIA-governor-appointed-panel-finds-1458762906

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/15/whos-blame-flint-water-crCIA/

[Nonnel]

liberals are some of the smartest people alive on this planet right now.

that's literally always been the case

[Gytyyhgfffff]

i'm liberal so that means i'm way smarter than the conservative rooster-munchers hah hah hah suck me conservatives i'm not dumb trust me this graph says that liberals are more smart please look at it

[McZealot]

I don't think liberalism breeds intelligence or open-mindedness, I think those things breeds liberalism. There are smart conservatives (like Wall-Street brokers) and moron liberals (like the gang-members of Detroit) but if you take a survey of your average advanced placement class or even higher education course there will be a SIGNIFICANT higher percent of liberalism than in the general population. I don't know if I'd say it's 'intelligence' exactly, so maybe that's all a bit misleading. I think it stems from a level of higher thinking--being able to look past your own perceptions of things to understand higher concepts like physics and political geography. When you open your minds to these things you also become more sympathetic to refugees and people on welfare because while you might have personally perceived them as leeches to society you can begin to sympathize while you open your mind. While you personally don't like paying taxes you can understand how important they are to your quality of life and that of the people around you and feel better about doing so.

For those reasons I wouldn't say liberals are better at STEM, but I would say people who are good in STEM are also more liberal.

[LeisureSuit912]

This whole attitude of "oh, conservatives are the new counter-culture" is part of this whole desperate rebranding thing the right has been trying to do since Gamergate, which is to look "cool". It's something I see in Milo Yiannopoulos, Steven Crowder, Paul Joseph Watson, Sargon and the other right-wing pundits whose careers are built on "triggering feminational socialists!!!", and it's something the alt-right tries to do with memes, because it's for the sole purpose of trying to look cool up against the SJW liberals.

The reason this idea of having conservatism be "punk" or "counter-culture" is hilarious is because these people invest so much power and integrity into these hierarchies that control society and yet try and paint themselves as these rebellious types going against the status quo while promoting a hyperreal version of it at the same time. Hell, Paul Joseph Watson makes this video about how punk conservatives at the same time he talks about how it's bad that popular culture is sooo taboo. Conservatives have been trying to paint themselves as "punks" since the 1980s and it's always failed and reverted to the same old dumb hierarchies they've always worshiped.

'conservatives are more attractive' uh?????????? what the hell makes him think there is some sort of correlation there? I imagine these statistics are EXTREMELY narrow and similar if there is a correlation at all. 90% of left-wing activists are unemployed people living with their parents? what the hell?! that state seems insanely dubious to throw out. this dude is actually insane. "left wingers are fat and ugly" lmao dude YOU WORK FOR Humble Water Filter Merchant WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

LMAO that's the funniest part. It's great seeing all these right-wingers follow PJW like he's this open-minded intellectual and his arguments end up devolving into "leftists r fat & stupid lol".

[Red Spy]

I don't think liberalism breeds intelligence or open-mindedness, I think those things breeds liberalism. There are smart conservatives (like Wall-Street brokers) and moron liberals (like the gang-members of Detroit) but if you take a survey of your average advanced placement class or even higher education course there will be a SIGNIFICANT higher percent of liberalism than in the general population. I don't know if I'd say it's 'intelligence' exactly, so maybe that's all a bit misleading. I think it stems from a level of higher thinking--being able to look past your own perceptions of things to understand higher concepts like physics and political geography. When you open your minds to these things you also become more sympathetic to refugees and people on welfare because while you might have personally perceived them as leeches to society you can begin to sympathize while you open your mind. While you personally don't like paying taxes you can understand how important they are to your quality of life and that of the people around you and feel better about doing so.

For those reasons I wouldn't say liberals are better at STEM, but I would say people who are good in STEM are also more liberal.

When you say liberalism do you mean the actual liberalism or leftism cause half the post goes one way and the other half goes another

[LeisureSuit912]

yeah look at all those leftist punks punching people and burning down buildings and dictating who can or can't speak and boiling their opponent's arguments down to their skin color

so fascist counter-culture

If you're referring to the riots at Milo's planned event at Berkeley, it's not like anybody was preventing him from speaking. He could've easily walked into there and done his event anyways. It probably would've been even better for his reputation if he had gone up and spoken anyways amidst all the protests going on outside. Secondly, Milo has as much a right to free speech as those protestors had a right to assemble and protest his event. And Milo isn't entitled to a platform nor an audience of generous listeners.

and this is the conservatives' fault how?
you're aware Flint's government is democrat-controlled, right?

It's almost like you don't understand the situation behind the Flint water crCIA whatsoever. The governor Rick Snyder, a Republican, appointed several "emergency managers" to the city from 2011 to 2015 that changed the source of the city's water to the Flint River, which has toxic compounds called trihalomethanes in it. Children in the community were being poisoned by the lead in the tap water, but at the same time, Snyder and the rest of his staff were aware of these problems for about a year before they decided to take action. No, the local government isn't responsible for the Flint water crCIA outside of possibly the former mayor, but the Republican government that decided to "save more money" by changing to a poisonous water supply.

it's this idea of "we mustn't adopt what works, we must adopt what's trending" policy-wise that's ruining the system, not "ooh let's not change ever we love the past monday monday monday"

So wait, Democratic politicians are like teenagers jumping on the latest fads to pass legislation on? That's now how politics in general works, I don't even know what you're trying to say here.

>asserts conservatives are not counter-culture b/c gov't
>leaves out MSM, Hollywood, universities, etc.

totally not counter-culture!

Because every liberal holds up MSM, Hollywood and universities as the ultimate standards for left-wing politics. C'mon.

[SeventhSandwich]

I don't think liberalism breeds intelligence or open-mindedness, I think those things breeds liberalism. There are smart conservatives (like Wall-Street brokers) and moron liberals (like the gang-members of Detroit) but if you take a survey of your average advanced placement class or even higher education course there will be a SIGNIFICANT higher percent of liberalism than in the general population. I don't know if I'd say it's 'intelligence' exactly, so maybe that's all a bit misleading. I think it stems from a level of higher thinking--being able to look past your own perceptions of things to understand higher concepts like physics and political geography. When you open your minds to these things you also become more sympathetic to refugees and people on welfare because while you might have personally perceived them as leeches to society you can begin to sympathize while you open your mind. While you personally don't like paying taxes you can understand how important they are to your quality of life and that of the people around you and feel better about doing so.

I don't know if I buy this. I think the correlation probably has more to do with the history of traditionally left-wing states being the industrialized centers of education, while the traditionally right-wing/conservative/etc states were more agrarian with less population and fewer institutions for higher education. I'd like to think that my political philosophies stem from a higher level of thinking, but in reality it's probably more a product of where/how I've grown up.

For those reasons I wouldn't say liberals are better at STEM, but I would say people who are good in STEM are also more liberal.

I go to a top STEM school in a predominantly conservative state, and the breakdown seems to be like 75/25 liberals:conservatives. I don't think there's any difference in their prowess or ability that falls on party lines either.