Is facial hair unprofessional?

[Red Spy]

to reject a person who is well qualified for a position over their choice of garment is dumb af tbh bbq

The point of dressing well for a job interview is to make a good impression. Show that you care about the job enough to make the effort to look good for the job interview.

times change

So does a calendar

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[Darryl McKoy]

I shave/grow it depending on the context. If I'm going for a job interview, I'll know they'll be more impressed with me the younger I come across - so I shave. When I'm working with people who I know look down on colleagues because of their age, I'll let my facial hair grow out.

[Magus]

a suit used to be a status symbol but isn't anymore
to reject a person who is well qualified for a position over their choice of garment is dumb af tbh bbq just because it's ""the standard of professionalism""
times change

Why complain about looking professional enough to make a good impression being inexpensive?
Edit: relatively inexpensive compared to "status symbol"

[Daswiruch]

if you're saying that "times change" isn't a valid argument: why? "looking good" is based on the time period.

Why complain about looking professional enough to make a good impression being inexpensive?

can you rephrase that? i quite literally don't understand. you probably made an argument in valid phrasing but my english grammar is starting to become foggy because of all my drilling in french.

[Foxscotch]

Why complain about looking professional enough to make a good impression being inexpensive?

this sentence is kind of a clusterforget but if you're saying suits are inexpensive then you've got another thing coming

[Red Spy]

if you're saying that "times change" isn't a valid argument: why?

Because it's the laziest excuse for anything. It's like saying "well the moon's at 3rd quarter duh" Who gives a stuff? We're talking about here and now, not 100 loving years when standards might be different

[Daswiruch]

Because it's the laziest excuse for anything. It's like saying "well the moon's at 3rd quarter duh" Who gives a stuff? We're talking about here and now, not 100 loving years when standards might be different

i give a stuff. like i said before and will continue saying until you understand, suits are no longer a status symbol and have no place in most jobs besides for fashion purposes.
you were just saying that suits have been the standard of professionalism for 200 years. the here and now is now here, now.
the meaning of professionalism needs to be changed to "the ability to get your loving job done"

[Zloff]

i work as a software dev, and unless we have someone important visiting us, we just wear jeans and tshirts

can confirm as i can show up in ripped jeans + adidas mid tops + striped t shirt and my middle-aged coworkers only care enough to make fun of me for my hip youngster outfit

[Red Spy]

you were just saying that suits have been the standard of professionalism for 200 years. the here and now is now here, now.

You're right. Skinny jeans and a short sleeve shirt is much better standard

the meaning of professionalism needs to be changed to "the ability to get your loving job done"

What's wrong with it's current definition

[Master Matthew²]

I only would hire people with curly moustaches or their name must end in "son"

[Daswiruch]

You're right. Skinny jeans and a short sleeve shirt is much better standard

you're damn right it is. it's much more important to be comfortable.

What's wrong with it's current definition
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that may be the definition but i said meaning
professionalism, the way we and most other people use it, generally refers to the way you have to present yourself hair, clothing, and speech-wise
you know, the thing we're arguing about?

[Red Spy]

you're damn right it is. it's much more important to be comfortable.

And then get rejected for not dressing appropriately. Great

that may be the definition but i said meaning
professionalism, the way we and most other people use it, generally refers to the way you have to present yourself hair, clothing, and speech-wise
you know, the thing we're arguing about?

Except there's a word for getting your job done and it's called 'competence' No need to change existing word's definitions

[Nonnel]

i agree suits as an expectation for "professionalism" is a mindless tradition, but i also really like suits >:(

[sorrel]

Your beard isn't sloppy or messy but if you grew it out again you should definitely add some curvature around your jaw bone instead of mostly straight. I could maybe see it from a "it's not professional" view but it's really not that bad.

Try for a style like this where it's a higher/wider from your jaw line and gives your face more definition

[Alteration]

I don't understand Das's argument that "times have changed". People are actively, in this moment, right now, wearing suits at their job. Times have not changed at all, and probably will not for a long time. Honestly, it's just very self-centered to expect the entire world to change to your standards of work attire because you're too lazy to wear decent clothing.

Anyways, proof that looking professional counts with two 90's Bowies (quickest comparison that came to mind, sorry if it seems 'randumb'):



Left Bowie is probably far more comfortable than Right Bowie, but Right Bowie doesn't look like he will touch your kids. He also has facial hair, so as long as you rock it right, you can probably get away with it in a professional environment (no goatees though).


Sorry if I seem fanatical about dress code, I'm OCD and obsessed with looking good. It probably stems from a deep insecurity or something.

i agree suits as an expectation for "professionalism" is a mindless tradition, but i also really like suits >:(

You're tearing me apart, Nonnel!