"See how machine learning is helping us tackle gender bias in movies."

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Rey was a garbage Mary Sue character and a perfect example of why hamfisting 2D "muh strong female lead" characters into stories they don't belong in is a terrible idea. If people want more stories about women they should write more stories about women instead of calling other writers loveist or gender bias or whatever because they don't hit arbitrary diversity standards in their fiction.

so what you're saying is that you hate women

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[torin²]

so what you're saying is that you hate women

all women are thots

[Grewyr]

all women are thots

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all women are thots

ALL WOMEN ARE QUEENS

[Grewyr]

www.reddit.com/r/niceguys

[torin²]

ALL WOMEN ARE QUEENS

pffft. typical thot enabler

[Poliwhirl]

Rey was a garbage Mary Sue character and a perfect example of why hamfisting 2D "muh strong female lead" characters into stories they don't belong in is a terrible idea. If people want more stories about women they should write more stories about women instead of calling other writers loveist or gender bias or whatever because they don't hit arbitrary diversity standards in their fiction.

doesnt have anything to so with her being a female, they just couldn't write a good character

[torin²]

doesnt have anything to so with her being a female, they just couldn't write a good character

it goes hand in hand

[ultimamax]

this may be up there on the list of "dumbest applications of neural networks"

why is it inherently a bad thing for a movie's cast to have a gender imbalance? if a writer makes roles for more males or more females, what does it matter? am I missing the point or does someone just get really butthurt and think women are deliberately being written out of films to oppress them or w.e?

There isn't really a problem with individual movies having a gender imbalance. For example, something like Mad Men naturally wouldn't have a lot of women. But if most movies are dominated by male characters, (which they seem to be) it speaks to a few possible explanations:

1. People don't find movies with women interesting
If this is actually the reason I think we should brown townyze why people find movies with women uninteresting. I don't think women are inherently uninteresting. It could be a cultural thing. Maybe we're socialized to find stories about men more interesting. (either incidentally or because they're men) No matter what, it's a phenomenon worth exploring.

2. Movie-writing is a male-dominated industry and male writers don't write about women for some reason
We should brown townyze what is keeping women out of movie-writing. Movie-writing is similar to writing novels and there seems to be a pretty even gender ratio in that; that would make the reason seem to be environmental rather than some natural aversion to movie-writing.
Also, men should learn how to write women characters / about women if they can't. Why can't men write women? (if that's the reason) Women are just people. Men being unable to write women would seem to mean that men and women find eachother alien which I don't think is necessarily natural or healthy.

And regardless of the explanation, having a media where people are underrepresented has a marginalizing effect on those underrepresented groups.

[torin²]

There isn't really a problem with individual movies having a gender imbalance. For example, something like Mad Men naturally wouldn't have a lot of women. But if most movies are dominated by male characters, (which they seem to be) it speaks to a few possible explanations:

1. People don't find movies with women interesting
If this is actually the reason I think we should brown townyze why people find movies with women uninteresting. I don't think women are inherently uninteresting. It could be a cultural thing. Maybe we're socialized to find stories about men more interesting. (either incidentally or because they're men) No matter what, it's a phenomenon worth exploring.

2. Movie-writing is a male-dominated industry and male writers don't write about women for some reason
We should brown townyze what is keeping women out of movie-writing. Movie-writing is similar to writing novels and there seems to be a pretty even gender ratio in that; that would make the reason seem to be environmental rather than some natural aversion to movie-writing.
Also, men should learn how to write women characters / about women if they can't. Why can't men write women? (if that's the reason) Women are just people. Men being unable to write women would seem to mean that men and women find eachother alien which I don't think is necessarily natural or healthy.

And regardless of the explanation, having a media where people are underrepresented has a marginalizing effect on those underrepresented groups.

yeah maybe because women cant make good movies

[otto-san]

this is just a convenient semi-practical application of what google's doing. the real meat here is that they're developing/training their facial recognition software to the point where it can intelligently decide a person's love from many angles, and that's pretty Neato if you ask me

2. Movie-writing is a male-dominated industry and male writers don't write about women for some reason
We should brown townyze what is keeping women out of movie-writing. Movie-writing is similar to writing novels and there seems to be a pretty even gender ratio in that; that would make the reason seem to be environmental rather than some natural aversion to movie-writing.
Also, men should learn how to write women characters / about women if they can't. Why can't men write women? (if that's the reason) Women are just people. Men being unable to write women would seem to mean that men and women find eachother alien which I don't think is necessarily natural or healthy.

as a male writer who for some reason exclusively makes female characters this is funny to me (not an argument against what you're sayin, just a casual comment)

[Trogtor]

lets face it women are only good for giving men boners

[torin²]

[Cappytaino]

There isn't really a problem with individual movies having a gender imbalance. For example, something like Mad Men naturally wouldn't have a lot of women. But if most movies are dominated by male characters, (which they seem to be) it speaks to a few possible explanations:

1. People don't find movies with women interesting

2. Movie-writing is a male-dominated industry and male writers don't write about women for some reason

And regardless of the explanation, having a media where people are underrepresented has a marginalizing effect on those underrepresented groups.

the first point is interesting because I think that a possible explanation is that movies that are marketed to women contain more women, but men are less likely to see those movies, so they won't sell as well.

Compare The Avengers to Bridesmaids. Of the two movies, the Avengers is the most likely movie for men to watch. The protagonists of Bridesmaids are all female, but IMO it isn't as compelling to men, so they won't watch it. It isn't necessarily that men are avoiding movies starring women, but rather, that many of them just aren't interesting.

I can tell you that personally, I'd have more fun shooting myself in the foot with a shotgun than watching a Melissa McCarthy movie. I don't hate women in starring roles, but I just don't find movies directed to women as compelling. I want metal, explosions, and mindless entertainment when I go to see a summer blockbuster. Not cheesy rom-com bullstuff.

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not all heroes wear capes