Author Topic: [nEWS} children taken away if you don't accept their gender  (Read 7317 times)

see here: gender dysphoria has nothing to do with third genders

I'm not loving talking about gender dysphoria, I'm talking about the delusion idiots who think their third genders are covered under gender dysphoria, loving come on

I'm not loving talking about gender dysphoria, I'm talking about the delusion idiots who think their third genders are covered under gender dysphoria, loving come on
But where in the subject at hand is this ever brought up?

I'm not loving talking about gender dysphoria, I'm talking about the delusion idiots who think their third genders are covered under gender dysphoria, loving come on
gender dysphoria doesn't actually necessitate a binary model of gender; it only requires that a patient has a strong preference for a gender identity different from the one assigned at birth. the criteria for diagnosis that i've been referencing don't reflect this though, i'm assuming for simplicity's sake since the rest of the article doesn't exclusively refer to a gender binary

edit: actually, it seems like their use of "other gender" is meant to refer to the patient's "experienced/expressed gender" as mentioned previously, it's just vague enough to also imply a binary if taken out of that context
« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 03:28:43 PM by otto-san »

But where in the subject at hand is this ever brought up?

Have you even read any of my posts in this thread
My criticism of this law is that people like me, who support trans people but not nonbinary nonsense, would have their kids taken away simply for not believing in their children's delusions. Are they abusing their kid, beating them up, treating them like stuff? No? Then they shouldn't have their kids taken from them. If all they're doing is simply not accepting their kid's gender, and supporting them properly everywhere else, that's not grounds to remove someone's kid. Do they think foster care is better for trans kids anyway? I'm sure it is for the ones who are genuinely being abused, but let's get loving real.

gender dysphoria doesn't actually necessitate a binary model of gender; it only requires that a patient has a strong preference for a gender identity different from the one assigned at birth. the criteria for diagnosis that i've been referencing don't reflect this though, i'm assuming for simplicity's sake since the rest of the article doesn't exclusively refer to a gender binary

edit: actually, it seems like their use of "other gender" is meant to refer to the patient's "experienced/expressed gender" as mentioned previously, it's just vague enough to also imply a binary if taken out of that context

My problem with nonbinary genders is that the ones I have seen listed are pretty much a sliding scale of feminine and masculine traits. A man that feels feminine is not a new gender. That's just an effeminate male. Tomboys are not a new gender. I have long since accepted trans people for what they are, but I have only seen transtrenders, little teenagers still trying to find themselves, and young college-age adults struggling with a lack of sense of self identify as nonbinary in order to fit in. Nonbinary genders only serve to placate people who want to feel special while making trans people look like a loving joke.

And it would be different if, like trans people, their identities do not begin and end where people perceive them, but from my interactions with nonbinary people, they swear up and down society's perception of them invalidates their entire existence. On the other hand, my trans friends are trans regardless of what one person or another calls them. As you said, a gender dysphoria diagnosis requires actual harm to normal function, right? All these self-proclaimed, self-diagnosed nonbinary people are just a bunch of trend following kiddies as far as I'm concerned.

All this having been said, I couldn't give any less of a stuff if someone wants to identify as nonbinary, because it doesn't concern me. What does concern me is when they push their agenda into law without any basis in reality. I have exactly one nb friend, and she doesn't annoy me stuffless because she doesn't try to push her nonbinary identity to the front of every conversation, so it isn't an issue. But most of them aren't like that. They claim to be nb so they can make it an issue, so they can wield social power like actual trans people.

Dont let this pass traps are gross



those are a fair number of incredibly bold extrapolations, and i don't think they're very relevant to the existence and understanding of non-binary gender identities. you seem to also be implying that the idea that gender isn't binary is unpopular within the LGBT community, or that people whose identity doesn't fall within the masculine/feminine spectrum are leeches/distractions from the efforts of the LGBT community, and these things are simply not true. the efforts to normalize and create supportive environments for trans people is in no way exclusive to those who fall within traditional social construction; this movement stands more to upend the traditional construction and replace it with one centered around the experiences of the individual rather than one centered around the expectations of society, and that's what gender identity really is: it's one's own personal experience of their gender, and inevitably, the experiences of any one person don't necessarily fit snugly into the spectrum of traditionally masculine and feminine qualities. therefore, these identities can be understood as "non-binary." there's nothing strange or out-of-place about this when juxtaposed with trans individuals that identify with their traditionally 'opposite' gender when viewed in this context. since these are all relative to abstract cultural concepts, they can be fluid, imprecise, and perhaps only vaguely defined, but the idea is that they don't need to be, and it doesn't/shouldn't really matter what you want to call yourself
« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 04:25:33 PM by otto-san »

anyone remember that thread like a year ago when someone said his friend got kicked out of school for wearing a dress even though he's a guy

since these are all relative to abstract cultural concepts, they can be fluid, imprecise, and perhaps only vaguely defined, but the idea is that they don't need to be, and it doesn't/shouldn't really matter what you want to call yourself

When it comes to writing this stuff into laws, it does need to be precise, it cannot be fluid, it is not a concept. That is my point. We shouldn't be writing laws to accomadate "fluid" concepts of identity. That's loving ridiculous.

When it comes to writing this stuff into laws, it does need to be precise, it cannot be fluid, it is not a concept. That is my point. We shouldn't be writing laws to accomadate "fluid" concepts of identity. That's loving ridiculous.
we should be forcing people to conform to a majority even though a small percentage of people don't fit into that box rather than simply accommodating everyone?

lol

writing laws that apply to 0.1% of the population is a waste of ink

we should be forcing people to conform to a majority even though a small percentage of people don't fit into that box rather than simply accommodating everyone?

lol

We should force the majority to conform to a minority of a minority for the sake of feelings? Go forget yourself
lol
that's literally what you just argued for, that people should be forced to accommodate the ideas put forth by less than 1% of the population simply for the sake of feels over reals
« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 05:36:03 PM by Deus Ex »

transgenderism is the invention of postmodern child enthusiast degenerates projecting their parents' hatred of them onto society: FACT.

We should force the majority to conform to a minority of a minority for the sake of feelings? Go forget yourself
lol
that's literally what you just argued for, that people should be forced to accommodate the ideas put forth by less than 1% of the population simply for the sake of feels over reals
so instead of simply accommodating people you think that a minority should be cast out of having human rights? You aren't being 'forced' to do change your life infact this law should never even have an affect on you

When it comes to writing this stuff into laws, it does need to be precise, it cannot be fluid, it is not a concept. That is my point. We shouldn't be writing laws to accomadate "fluid" concepts of identity. That's loving ridiculous.
i don't see how it needs to be any more precise than referring to "gender identity," and i don't think the majority loses anything by gender not being legally required to be understood as exclusively binary and/or assigned

also i wouldn't tend to trust the majority to respect the interests and needs of minorities, that's why we don't have a direct democracy.

i think we've jumped around a lot here lol
« Last Edit: June 07, 2017, 05:51:22 PM by otto-san »