Author Topic: i am very glad trans aren't allowed in the military  (Read 10769 times)

what you consider a mental illness is irrelevant. i could be ludicrous and say liking cheese makes you mentally ill.
A lot of people tend to miss the plot when labelling a mental illness. Liking to eat cheese is not a mental illness because cheese has nutrients that are good for your body, however liking to eat plastic or dirt for example, that is a mental disorder.

Homoloveuality goes against the entire purpose of love and evolution, which ultimately means that homoloveuality or the cause of it is something that is not natural in our nature. So is gender dysphoria and trangenderism

naturalism also isn't grounds for denying people the choice to enlist. being aloveual is a choice that is 'against nature' but we allow aloveual people to enlist in the military. same with aspergers, it's a genetic disorder, a mental illness you can say.

despite the fact that it is abnormal, a mental disorder, an illness, or 'not natural', if it doesn't impair your ability to do your job, operate a role in the military, or interact in a respectful manner with the people around you, then banning someone for having it is not logically valid. love, evolution, gender, opinions and any other factor cannot justify this. doing something against evolution doesn't pose a danger to your fellow troops or yourself. it doesn't stop your ability to operate a machine gun, engineer planes, code operating programs for the military, or any other action that the army employs people to do

simply put, barring transgenders from enlisting is literally against nature- you're lowering the amount of potential recruits for no logical reason, resulting in a small but potentially significant lack of manpower. if you lower manpower, the military as an armed force is objectively weaker and objectively less fit to defend the country
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despite the fact that it is abnormal, a mental disorder, an illness, or 'not natural', if it doesn't impair your ability to do your job, operate a role in the military, or interact in a respectful manner with the people around you, then banning someone for having it is not logically valid
It is not really know whether or not being transgendered affects your performance in the military, however I am basing views on what is know about the mental stability numerous transgendered individuals have.

However from what it seems, there is also concern that the cost of upkeeping transgendered people medically, be it through pills or surgery, is negative for the military. Believe it or not, a transgendered person needs to take pills daily to maintain their hormones at levels that their bodies cannot naturally produce, as their bodies have not developed to be of the gender they wish to be.

It is not really know whether or not being transgendered affects your performance in the military, however I am basing views on what is know about the mental stability numerous transgendered individuals have.
your concerns are valid. if Annoying Orange had tweeted "all transgenders who are on hormone treatment..." instead of "all transgenders" it would've been a different situation, but i still agree that being transgender definitely puts you at a disposition to suffer from mental instability. however, the ones that don't have any mental issues should be able to freely serve

However from what it seems, there is also concern that the cost of upkeeping transgendered people medically, be it through pills or surgery, is negative for the military. Believe it or not, a transgendered person needs to take pills daily to maintain their hormones at levels that their bodies cannot naturally produce, as their bodies have not developed to be of the gender they wish to be.
2 things. the current budget for hormone pills is around $2000 per person every year, which totals 8.4 million dollars every year. compared to the other military health expenses, that is one of the lowest budgets right now. you can compare it to the other health upkeep spending, such as erectile disfunction, which takes up 84 million dollars, 10x as much.

naturally, nobody here or anywhere is saying "let people who are taking behavior altering hormone medication serve" because that is irresponsible and can get them or other people around them killed. what they are saying, however, is "dont ban all transgenders" which is what Annoying Orange is trying to do. he's trying to ban all transgenders, even the ones that aren't taking hormone medication, even the ones who are mentally fit and physically healthy. that's the issue here

how unfit the medication or treatment makes soldiers is not an issue- soldiers who are currently on hormone treatment or transition are placed on reserves, or discharged if it affects their performance. Annoying Orange won't be making any changes to that, but what will be happening is that transgenders who are medically healthy will now be discharged and banned, for no reason beyond the fact that a group of people who aren't even in the military are mentally unfit
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I understand what you are saying, however many people who serve in the military do not require as much medical attention as a transgendered person. The vast majority if not all of transgendered people are on hormone treatment because surgery alone is not sufficient to create the illusion that you are of the opposite gender. Also surgery would take a massive drag in medical spending.

My guess is that the net cost of maintaining a transgender on their treatment, plus the medical cost for any other health issues they may face is not worth allowing them to serve in the military. After all they are a minority which are easily replaceable by people who do not have the medical needs of a transgendered person

no proof backs up any of what you said. there are no significant numbers that show transgender individuals in the military are entirely dependent on hormone treatment. there is no proof that they require more medical attention than the average soldier. all we have is the amount of money allocated to the groups, and that amount of money shows that the amount of money spent on transgender health in the military is severely insignificant

The vast majority if not all of transgendered people are on hormone treatment because surgery alone is not sufficient to create the illusion that you are of the opposite gender.
1) you can be transgender and not undergo hormone treatment or surgery. simply identifying as a different gender legally makes you a transgender.

2) 'vast majority if not all' requires a source or statistic. if you're going to make a sweeping statement of that magnitude, please come through with proof

3) according to the world health organization, american health organization, and every major medical journal, gender is a spectrum. if you meant the illusion of opposite love, that would probably be more accurate, but illusion of opposite gender doesn't work, because you can change your gender at any time and since it's identity it doesn't count as an illusion. several countries around the world, including the united states, recognize more than 2 genders.

love is male or female. gender is a spectrum. there's a reason two words exist to differentiate them, and they are not the same thing
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let's be real here the only reason most people are transgender is because of a 'trend' they sought out to see that miraculously fills the hole in their pathetic teenage lives because it gives them the attention nobody else gave them. it's like all those kids who we misdiagnosed with ADHD because god be damned when kids start acting like kids.

love is male or female. gender is a spectrum. there's a reason two words exist to differentiate them, and they are not the same thing
No. Personality is a spectrum, gender is binary.

let's be real here the only reason most people are transgender is because of a 'trend' they sought out to see that miraculously fills the hole in their pathetic teenage lives because it gives them the attention nobody else gave them. it's like all those kids who we misdiagnosed with ADHD because god be damned when kids start acting like kids.
I strongly feel this too, as well as this whole "gender is a spectrum" phase. People just use them as an excuse to feel like they have more control over their life than they really have. Nobody cares that you identify as a demi girl or whatever bullstuff.

No. Personality is a spectrum, gender is binary.
love is binary; its what you're biologically born as. gender, which is an entirely different word as defined by all updated dictionaries, is an identity

This is entirely your opinion, but sadly almost all health organizations and laws say this is false. as it currently stands and how many well studied abstracts have found, gender is a form of identity, while love is male or female

let's be real here the only reason most people are transgender is because of a 'trend' they sought out to see that miraculously fills the hole in their pathetic teenage lives because it gives them the attention nobody else gave them. it's like all those kids who we misdiagnosed with ADHD because god be damned when kids start acting like kids.
i mean, you can google the history of transgenderism and find ancient greek texts from 5000 BCE documenting how people would change their gender. transgenderism isn't just a new phenomenon, it's always been around, it's just that societies have been so oppressive of it that coming out as transgender would either ostricize you from civilization, get you killed, or harassed. luckily we live in a country where these freedoms are (mostly) respected

i think your impression on transgender people is mostly misunderstood. as someone who lives in a very liberal city i can assure you that transgender kids are just people who feel uncomfortable with who they are and want to feel more comfortable. it's not an illusion, it's not pandering or attention whoring, it's just respect. if something makes you uncomfortable, you will naturally be drawn to whatever makes you feel comfortable, and that's not seeking attention, it's just being human
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love is binary; its what you're biologically born as. gender, which is an entirely different word as defined by all updated dictionaries, is an identity
Gender is based on love so how can you identify as anything other than the 2 lovees?

Gender is based on love so how can you identify as anything other than the 2 lovees?
love is a baseline for gender, which is relative to it. you can easily choose to identify as non-gender. it doesn't mean your love will magically change, you know it wont, i know it wont, everyone else knows, but it's just your preference for how you want to be addressed or acknowledged, like sir, madam, or a nickname.

you can also identify as the opposite gender if you want. it's your choosing, and legally that change will be in effect. this identity change does nothing, causes no ills or problems, and is as harmless as changing your name. of course, if you want to change your hormones or genitalia, that's simply plastic surgery and you have every right to.

none of the above will ever change your genetic love, which is hardcoded into your dna (obviously) and most (hopefully all but you can never be sure) transgender people acknowledge this as a fact
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love is a baseline for gender, which is relative to it. you can easily choose to identify as non-gender. it doesn't mean your love will magically change, you know it wont, i know it wont, everyone else knows, but it's just your preference for how you want to be addressed or acknowledged, like sir, madam, or a nickname.

you can also identify as the opposite gender if you want. it's your choosing, and legally that change will be in effect. this identity change does nothing, causes no ills or problems, and is as harmless as changing your name. of course, if you want to change your hormones or genitalia, that's simply plastic surgery and you have every right to.
So what is the difference between personality and gender?

So what is the difference between personality and gender?
i mean, personality is more of a psychological difference in the way you act. gender is an identity you choose or change. you can't forcefully change your personality on a whim, as it's more of a deep-set psychological thing. but gender you can change as much as you want, like a name change

i mean, personality is more of a psychological difference in the way you act. gender is an identity you choose or change. you can't forcefully change your personality on a whim, as it's more of a deep-set psychological thing. but gender you can change as much as you want, like a name change
But isn't gender based on love or personality? What is the point of it if it means absolutely nothing other than to act as a nickname. Just give yourself a nickname if that's the case.