Author Topic: Google fires James Damore for memo on echochamber  (Read 28384 times)

« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 11:03:53 PM by Metario »

the memo didn't even say anything wrong or really controversial.

He just suggested additional ways to organically attract women to positions in tech instead of giving them special treatment in the hiring process

yeah google firing this guy is pretty bs. the paper is well written and the points are made with a very conscious attempt not to sound insensitive but rather putting forward evidence he found in support of his theory.

he doesnt sound like he /wants/ it to be this way either, it looks like he just found a lot of evidence that supports this side of the theory. calling him a national socialist and claiming he doesn't support gender equality or whatever doesn't help their case. it would probably be more effective to try to present counterpoints to the proof he provided, for example the fact its only really been half a century since gender stereotypes have started to erode - it may take a lot longer than that to achieve an actual equality since said stereotypes have literally been around for eons
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 11:08:39 PM by Conan »

He broke rule #1, never make the company look bad. You get to be made an example of, even if it's not the right thing to do.

He broke rule #1, never make the company look bad. You get to be made an example of, even if it's not the right thing to do.
is the memo not internal? i don't think it would have gotten seriously leaked or given news coverage if it wasn't for his firing

The left is what defeats the left—by galvanizing the right against them.

is the memo not internal? i don't think it would have gotten seriously leaked or given news coverage if it wasn't for his firing
it was public for anyone to view and was leaked from the moment it got out to news outlets, yes


"Women are biologically inferior to men in terms of technical ability"
"wtf why are you firing me"

Not to mention he immediately mentions that he is a libertarian despite nobody caring or needing to know this information.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 11:39:11 PM by Karl Marx »

haha i think commie might be having a stroke again


"Women are biologically inferior to men in terms of technical ability"
"wtf why are you firing me"

Not to mention he immediately mentions that he is a libertarian despite nobody caring or needing to know this information.

He didn't say anywhere that women are biologically inferior. He stated the simple, inherent differences in what men and women tend to look for in careers to explain the overrepresentation of males in the company and in the tech industry in particular and suggested steps the company could take to attract more women instead of taking the discriminatory route of setting hiring quotas.

He emphasizes that tech jobs as they currently stand are fairly systematic and competitive, with stressful work and long hours. Women prefer to have more of a work-life balance, and inherently tend to be collaborative rather than competitive. Women also don't care as much for the "merit" of a tech job and are more susceptible to anxiety and increased stress levels as a consequence.

It isn't being "inferior," he just explains some reasons that women do not prefer tech jobs and how they can change the environment to be more conducive to more women being interested in the work.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 11:46:43 PM by Cappytaino »

you can tell who is fake news by what versions of the memo you get shown. he cites everything with facts, and the news removed most the citations.

He didn't say anywhere that women are biologically inferior. He stated the simple, inherent differences in what men and women tend to look for in careers to explain the overrepresentation of males in the company and in the tech industry in particular and suggested steps the company could take to attract more women instead of taking the discriminatory route of setting hiring quotas.

He's saying women are biologically unfit for certain positions in order to rationalize the low amount of women. He starts off meaning well, but refuses to build on it as it's apparently too idealistic to expand google's operations and create more people oriented roles. He's more or less just saying "maybe we could modify the existing jobs a little bit, but women still won't be the greatest fit, so I guess we'll all just have to live with such a small amount of women in IT."

Not to mention he immediately prides himself on being 'logical and facts-based' or whatever self-serving horse stuff he said, but somehow manages to misinterpret psychological studies and apply them in situations where they don't necessarily apply. For example, humans biologically don't like things constantly rubbing up against them, but nobody is using this as an argument against the social norm of wearing clothes. Except maybe nudists.

This is genuinely half-assed r/TumblrInAction pseudo-intellectual politics taken to the extreme and presented in a fancy "well-researched" PDF in a transparent attempt to gather credibility where he has none. Tech dudes should stop trying to apply their knowledge into psychological fields of knowledge they have not even begun to be trained in.
you can tell who is fake news by what versions of the memo you get shown. he cites everything with facts, and the news removed most the citations.
Linking to a Wikipedia page that is only relevant in subject matter is not a valid citation. You learn this in high school. For all intents and purposes, his claims are all unsourced.
« Last Edit: August 08, 2017, 11:57:05 PM by Karl Marx »

Being enough of an egotistical jackass to present your partially sourced political claims as the indisputable truth to, presumably the entire workforce of Google (and soon the general public) is more than enough reason to fire someone. He's obviously got that "biological" male deficiency in social areas (all that focus on Things rather than people just blocks off that area of thinking!), as he can't bring this up in a reasonable office discussion before sending out an ostentatious and bewildering memo, completely unprompted.


he's being brutally honest and he's 100% correct