net neutrality is pretty stuffty

[PhantOS]

All the images of various packages for Internet show that if net neutrality is removed we'll have to pay for individual packages. I only use like Google and Mail applications so already I'd be paying like 30$ less a month for the various services I no longer pay to use. That seems like a win for me

I don't use music and video so I wouldn't need that package at all... Looks like net neutrality was robbing me blind... Now I will pay only for what I need to use

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[Red Spy]

only have to pay for google and researchhub B)

[TristanLuigi]

i dunno if you're being sarcastic here, but you're assuming that the base package will be significantly cheaper than it is currently
besides that, there are far more egregious effects than just "internet is more expensive," as ISPs will be able to favor certain services or information sources over others

also, this isn't how the loving internet works
you aren't buying music/video/search from your ISP, you're buying access to the internet
distinguishing between categories doesn't make ANY sense

by pretending that it's any different, you're giving ISPs more leverage

[Ipquarx]

i dunno if you're being sarcastic here

he's being massively sarcastic
the levels of sarcasm are through the roof

[PhantOS]

i dunno if you're being sarcastic here, but you're assuming that the base package will be significantly cheaper than it is currently
besides that, there are far more egregious effects than just "internet is more expensive," as ISPs will be able to favor certain services or information sources over others

also, this isn't how the loving internet works
you aren't buying music/video/search from your ISP, you're buying access to the internet
distinguishing between categories doesn't make ANY sense

yes it is? you realize the whole anti-net neutrality argument is based around the fact that you pay for categories of internet usage, right? There's no google vs yahoo throttling, it's Google vs Netflix because one is part of a browser package and the other is part of the video package

[TristanLuigi]

yes it is? you realize the whole anti-net neutrality argument is based around the fact that you pay for categories of internet usage, right? There's no google vs yahoo throttling, it's Google vs Netflix because one is part of a browser package and the other is part of the video package

there's no additional cost for the ISP between 10kB of data from Google and 10kB of data from Netflix, why the forget would you pay more for one than the other
also, without net neutrality, ISPs could discriminate "within" categories

For instance, Yahoo is owned by Verizon. If you have internet through Verizon, Verizon could give you data from Yahoo at a fast speed, while restricting Google unless you pay $5/mo. Since most consumers won't want to do this, they'll start using Yahoo, which creates an unfair market.

Now imagine they do this with news sources, and you give ISPs the ability to determine what information the public can see easily, and which they can't.

[PhantOS]

there's no additional cost for the ISP between 10kB of data from Google and 10kB of data from Netflix, why the forget would you pay more for one than the other
also, without net neutrality, ISPs could discriminate "within" categories

For instance, Yahoo is owned by Verizon. If you have internet through Verizon, Verizon could give you data from Yahoo at a fast speed, while restricting Google unless you pay $5/mo.

1) it's essentially like a phone plan. Will you pay more for unlimited call or unlimited text? If you're somebody who never calls but texts every day, obviously the latter package is better. With net neutrality, they ignore that and make you pay for both. So yeah, individualized plans are a perk of the loss of net neutrality

2) I'm sure there are still regulations in place to prevent internal discrimination between packages

[Red Spy]

Now imagine they do this with news sources, and you give ISPs the ability to determine what information the public can see easily, and which they can't.

why would they push certain news sources though

[TristanLuigi]

why would they push certain news sources though

They might have an agenda, or might want to net more revenue from the companies they own. MSNBC is owned by Comcast - do you want to give Comcast the power to slow down competitors to MSNBC?

1) it's essentially like a phone plan. Will you pay more for unlimited call or unlimited text? If you're somebody who never calls but texts every day, obviously the latter package is better. With net neutrality, they ignore that and make you pay for both. So yeah, individualized plans are a perk of the loss of net neutrality

yeah, and phone plans are fairly universally hated for a reason. if we could prohibit networks from discriminating between texts, calls, and internet, I would be in favor of it. you're not saving any money by doing this; the company is simply able to nickel-and-dime you more easily.

2) I'm sure there are still regulations in place to prevent internal discrimination between packages

there wouldn't be if net neutrality is repealed.
iirc verizon already tried pulling this stuff; it was struck down in court due to net neutrality.

[PhantOS]

Well I don't tend to browse many websites personally so I wouldn't be affected if that scenario were to occur. This is why I don't support net neutrality. As it stands I could definitely save money if they offered packages

[Gytyyhgfffff]

other people do browse websites that you don't phanto and i'll loving eat my richard if telecoms make the packages less expensive in total than they are today

[TristanLuigi]

Well I don't tend to browse many websites personally so I wouldn't be affected if that scenario were to occur. This is why I don't support net neutrality.

will you, specifically, be affected? i can't say. but this would be a major blow to the freedom of information on the internet, and the ability for companies to compete on fair and equal grounds. ISPs would gain a huge amount of influence in dictating what the public sees and uses.

the fact that you're so willing to give up these things just because you don't think it'll affect you is extremely frightening, and gives me the impression that you don't give a stuff about people other than yourself

[Tudoreleu]

the fcc is going to use a screenshot of this thread when they try to justify their decision

[PhantOS]

I'm not other people. They have a right to support net neutrality, and I have a right to oppose

will you, specifically, be affected? i can't say. but this would be a major blow to the freedom of information on the internet, and the ability for companies to compete on fair and equal grounds. ISPs would gain a huge amount of influence in dictating what the public sees and uses.

the fact that you're so willing to give up these things just because you don't think it'll affect you is extremely frightening

sorry if my lack of support for net neutrality results in the downfall of the free internet, but both sides have valid opinions and disadvantages

[IkeTheGeneric]

much like a big story gives the entry level news agencies their material, net neutrality happens to be the kind of common ground that all the two-bit trolls can get their bait material for

's why you see everyone pretending to be contrarians, it's because it riles people up so much