Author Topic: Star Wars: The Last Jedi Discussion [Spoilers]  (Read 10539 times)

Boy the discussions about this movie are very friendly and constructive

The ending was pure bullstuff. Luke deserved better. Instead of just disappearing after broadcasting his apparation halfway across the galaxy even though he was supposedly "disconnected" from the force (this is ironic because something that powerful has not been experienced to date), he should have died more of a hero's death I think. Not to say his death was totally bad. Just felt sorta crammed in there with a few too many rabbits pulled out of the hat for my taste. But instead of being a cranky, whiny old starfish confused about who he is, he should be the silent, stoic war hero who dies a humble yet worthy death. Bittersweet even. Maybe Kylo Ren finds the island that Luke and Rey were stashed out on and sends a company of Empire stormtroopers to kill them in the middle of the night. Luke and Rey first rush to defend the locals, who flee while the two Jedis buy time. Some cool actions scenes follow suit with Luke and Rey kicking ass back-to-back. Beginning to realized they are outnumbered, their minds move from "defend" to "escape." Fast forward a couple minutes. They are cornered somewhere on the island, probably at the peak of the mountain, which would be symbolic of whatever. Chances of survival are looking slim. As Rey begins to get angry, Luke simply smiles and says something about positivity and the force and yada yada yada. Yet at the same time, Luke is looking clearly drained from the battle. His smile turns to one of somber determination. As the troops advance up the side of the mountain, he tells Rey to run. Luke fights the storm troopers by sending rocks down the mountain. But they are too many in number. He takes a shot to the stomach. Not a critical wound, but he is not likely to leave the island alive. He crawls behind a rock and watches the sky. As Rey leaves the island in her spacecraft, the sun begins to rise, symbolising the dawn of a new age of Jedi as the island of the old Jedi burns. Then the sounds of Kylo Ren and the Stormtroopers are heard drawing nearer. He looks to the sky one more time, a tear in his eye. Not a tear of sorrow, but a tear of happiness and hope. He closes his eyes and smiles. End of scene. My mind kind of goes blank here because I am nowhere near talented enough to write a scene like this that isn't entirely cheesy. But this would do several things: It would teach Rey a valuable lesson about being a Jedi. It would provide a selfless heroic death that didn't involve defying physics where they had already been defied. It would make Luke's death more emotional. It would give Luke a similar end as his master, Ben Kenobi, completing the circle of his own journey.

Of course I'm no playwrite, and this leaves the end open to the risk of a possibly worse ending, but I think a scene like this could have been cool as balls. All of that being said, I still thoroughly enjoyed the movie.

luke shoulda died when he drank the milk straight from the titty of that awful richard monster

or just have luke show up himself instead of as a projection

The more I think about this movie, the worse it gets. The character of Luke Skywalker is completely butchered. You're telling me the man who confronted the apprentice of the evilest man in existence, the same person who killed his friend Obi-Wan in cold blood and threatened to kill his sister and everyone that he knew, in order to attempt converting him to the light side (and succeeding at it) would just blindly try to murder his own nephew because he may have turned evil? There's a reason Mark Hamill was so vocal about the script when he saw it; that's not Luke. I can understand destroying the expanded universe (which, when you really think about it, is a lot more far-fetched and ridiculous than you'd remember) in order to make a good story, but when you destroy the characters that have been previously established in other main-line movies in order to do that, it's just stuffty writing. I mean, why even have a map to Luke Skywalker if he doesn't want to be found? Just don't make a map then.

Rey is even more overpowered here than in The Force Awakens. One scene of her training with a lightsaber and she's on par with Darth Maul and can take on 20 imperial guards at once (with a little help from Kylo Ren). What was even the point of the room in the island strong in the dark side? They were trying to emulate Dagobah, I understand that, but all they did was make some dumb mirror effect that didn't play into the story at all. And I'll admit, I'm kind of glad that they didn't do the predictable thing and make her Kylo Ren's brother or tie her to another character for some stupid reason, but the explanation that they provided makes her even more broken, because if she has no strong lineage in the force then she's just super powerful for no loving reason.

Finn and Rose's subplot was a waste of time. I hate Rose, and I can't explain why. She feels totally out of place in the universe. The whole casino scene was a hamfisted, heavy-handed "grrr rich people are bad" statement that barely plays into the overall plot, since they find a guy that can get the job done in a prison cell. And don't get me wrong, I like Benicio del Toro, but why wasn't Maz the code-breaker? Is there any reason they decided to basically write her out of the movie? She was one of my favorite characters from The Force Awakens. Oh, and why was Finn slashed in the back in the last movie if it made no difference here? It's played for a sight gag and that's it. There isn't any rip in his jacket or anything from where he got struck.

The problems with Phasma are not solved in this movie. She dies. She gets three or four lines in her entire movie life and then she dies. Snoke isn't any better. Do you know how big the theorizing was when he was initially revealed? How many people were saying he was secretly Palpatine or Plageuis or someone else? We wanted to know who this guy was, and he dies halfway through the movie. I've seen a comment online theorizing that he is actually a cosmic being of the Force that latches onto bodies and inhabits them (which would explain Snoke's deteriorating face) but I highly doubt the writers of this movie thought that far ahead.

Overall, don't think about this movie for more than fifteen seconds and you'll like it. It is enjoyable, just stupid. Look at the scores on Rotten Tomatoes. Particularly the audience scores compared to those of the critics.


The one thing that used to be consistent with star wars is that it had great villians. That's been destroyed with episode 7 and 8. The prequals were crap but even they had good, memorable villains.

was a good watch. the porgs were loving stupid though.

the force is "so much bigger" my ass

0 risks, 0.2 new ideas, counting space force-holograms... beyond that not really anything special breaking the black and white dark/light binary stuff i was hoping they'd inject with some new mystique into, considering the uh, 100,000 year old island

fantastic movie. except for the constant annoying quips. it was like it wanted to be a goddamn marvel comedy.

the kylo-rey co-op fight was really epic (even if predictable) and the luke death scene was epic too. I loved yoda's appearance, best part of the whole film.

hoping they'd inject with some new mystique into, considering the uh, 100,000 year old island
Sad that the pit was just a loving mirror

honestly it could've worked better as a tv series


luke shoulda died when he drank the milk straight from the titty of that awful richard monster
why did this make me laugh
also i enjoyed it but rose was kinda dumb to include and the dumb loving porgs



also how does leia just go "forget OXYGEN" then just loving goes back

it was more loving funny to me that it just happened then it should have been

i liked the movies. i want an explanation on snoke though. all i've gotten thus far is he is bad guy #2

This was an amazing film that was infinitely better than The Force Recycled.

yeah snoke seemed pretty generic after all the theory hype about who he ~really~ was