How many female feminists does it take to build a bridge?

[beachbum111111]

So it wasn't a issue for the past 150 years of society forcing engineering teams to be all-male by excluding women from universities and engineering firms?

Is this some sort of a revenge thing going on? Men used to do it now women should do it as revenge.

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[King Tøny]

So it wasn't a issue for the past 150 years of society forcing engineering teams to be all-male by excluding women from universities and engineering firms?

The whole point of diversity is adding more diverse sets of people.

Only hiring females is still only hiring one set of gender, that's not diverse.That's not fixing the diversity problem, just reversing it.  lol

[beachbum111111]

The whole point of diversity is adding more diverse sets of people.

Only hiring females is still only hiring one set of gender, that's not diverse.That's not fixing the diversity problem, just reversing it.  lol

so if a bunch of East Indians forgeted up the bridge that would be better?

[SeventhSandwich]

Is this some sort of a revenge thing going on? Men used to do it now women should do it as revenge.

I don't really believe in affirmative action as a solution for the root-causes of these problems. But that's not the biggest issue here IMO.

Read the article he linked. It's full of stuff about how men are intrinsically better at math than women because they score x% higher on standardized tests. Grade-A /r/incels stuff

[Shift Kitty]

so if a bunch of East Indians forgeted up the bridge that would be better?

I think what he's saying is that instead of having a team of all one gender for the sake of having it all be one gender, that it should be based on an individual's skills and experience.
Currently teams are all male for the sake of having them all male, and then that one team of all females that forgeted up.

[Darryl McKoy]

Based on what I've just googled we don't actually know yet what caused the bridge to collapse do we? Isn't in plausible that the engineering was sound but the construction wasn't?

[King Tøny]

So like, 99% of bridges that have ever collapsed were built by almost-entirely-male teams

Also you're comparing 99% to 1%.


hypothetical example

In one year 100 bridges were built

99 bridges built by males. Only 9% of them fail.

1 bridge built by females. 100% of them fail.


Oh but because 9% (8.91 bridges) of those male bridges failed that means they did worse than women who only had 1 bridge fail!

[beachbum111111]

Currently teams are all male for the sake of having them all male,

Is that the case or are there just more males in that line of work?

I don't really believe in affirmative action as a solution for the root-causes of these problems. But that's not the biggest issue here IMO.

Read the article he linked. It's full of stuff about how men are intrinsically better at math than women because they score x% higher on standardized tests. Grade-A /r/incels stuff

Interesting. Was it by a significant margin or was it something like below 5%? How in detail were these tests? I'm not going to bother touching the article because 3-4ths of it is a comment section and thats an automatic embargo from me.

Based on what I've just googled we don't actually know yet what caused the bridge to collapse do we? Isn't in plausible that the engineering was sound but the construction wasn't?

It was more then likely the engineers but thats more down to the fact that engineers are bastards that can't be trusted.

[King Tøny]

Isn't in plausible that the engineering was sound but the construction wasn't?

Engineers that worked on the project are denying they ever worked on it.

The construction crew claims they were just doing what they were told and followed it exactly to detail.

Not a good sign.

[Darryl McKoy]

It was more then likely the engineers but thats more down to the fact that engineers are bastards that can't be trusted.

That's your expert opinion as an engineering student or..?

The top results on google right now seem to be suggesting that it was an error in the tensioning performed in construction

[Shift Kitty]

8.91 bridges

A bridge falling is a bridge falling. You can't have half a bridge fall. Either the bridge fell or it didn't.

[beachbum111111]

That's your expert opinion as an engineering student or..?

The top results on google right now seem to be suggesting that it was an error in the tensioning performed in construction

My experience working in construction is that everyone vehemently hates engineers.

[SeventhSandwich]

Also you're comparing 99% to 1%.


hypothetical example

In one year 100 bridges were built

99 bridges built by males. Only 9% of them fail.

1 bridge built by females. 100% of them fail.


Oh but because 9% (8.91 bridges) of those male bridges failed that means they did worse than women who only had 1 bridge fail!

Look at it this way: how many forcibly-all-male engineering teams could have averted a bridge collapse by hiring one female employee instead of the one guy who flubbed the math? It follows that if this bridge collapsed because a competent male employee was passed up for an incompetent female employee, then historically speaking, hundreds of bridges have collapsed for the exact same reason, but with the genders swapped.

So yeah, I'll agree that enforcing a 100% gender quota for an engineering team is a bad idea because it's inherently loveist. But it would take a hell of a lot more affirmative action to equal the amount of damage done to engineering institutions because of the fact that they're gigantic insular boys-clubs. I say this as an actual engineering student lol.

My experience working in construction is that everyone vehemently hates engineers.

Lol

[King Tøny]

Currently teams are all male for the sake of having them all male, and then that one team of all females that forgeted up.

If teams are all male it is nothing but sheer coincidence they all happened to be male. Since males dominate this field. It is more likely to claim there were no females available to hire.

If teams are all female it is absolutely not a coincidence because of how few women are in the engineering field it is statistically impossible to say they were only hired because there were no men available.


What this means is that more qualified men were not hired over less qualified females. Unless you're going to argue with me that the team they picked were the absolute best female engineers available.

[Darryl McKoy]

My experience working in construction is that everyone vehemently hates engineers.

'It was likely the engineers fault because I don't think people like engineers'

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