Don't you hate it when artists say things like...

[IkeTheGeneric]

Ah the good ol' phantos way of poisoning the well and then thinking you can get a meaningful discussion out of it afterwards.

I'm not dumb enough to argue with someone who's posting in bad faith. If you're not posting in bad faith, then you need to reexamine how you interact with people socially.

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[IkeTheGeneric]

Also before you start with the holier-than-thou bullstuff and saying how I never put any effort into any arguments, you have failed to show me why engaging you seriously is worth it. I could do the whole show and dance with this discourse and then you decide to go back to baiting and say something stupid, completely wasting my time. If something clicked in your head and you realized you could have gotten something interesting out of a discussion on art, you already pretty much forgetin blew it.

I don't see a point in elaborating anyways. It's not like anyone's confused about what "Artist" means save for the fringe few who conflate objective value to subjective art.

[thegoodperry]

Ah the good ol' phantos way of poisoning the well and then thinking you can get a meaningful discussion out of it afterwards.

The well is already poisoned by arrogance and pretentiousness. That's the whole point of this thread

If something clicked in your head and you realized you could have gotten something interesting out of a discussion on art, you already pretty much forgetin blew it.

what discussion on art? what is there to discuss? if you are successful at designing your art, there shouldn't have to be a discussion

[IkeTheGeneric]

The well is already poisoned by arrogance and pretentiousness. That's the whole point of this thread

The point of the thread was to complain about annoying artists, not go on psuedo-intellectual rants about the state of art and what defines an artist. If you wanna talk pretentiousness, you should examine the paragraphs you posted.

[thegoodperry]

If you wanna talk pretentiousness, you should examine the paragraphs you posted.

Is telling people to be humble pretentious?

The point of the thread was to complain about annoying artists

Yea i know, thats what i did. I find it annoying when people consider themselves an artist in the first place even though they dont do it professionally. there's a major difference between people who do something as a hobby and as a profession, even if the line can be blurred by immensely talented people. saying 'im an artist' as opposed to 'i enjoy making art for fun' has a tone of arrogance, while the other one is simply innocent and humble. It makes a huge difference

[hootaloo]

Is telling people to be humble pretentious?

oh is that what u think ur doing lol

there's a major difference between people who do art as a hobby and as a profession

(((((there is not))))))

[hootaloo]

saying 'im an artist' as opposed to 'i enjoy making art for fun' has a tone of arrogance

this is really sad

[IkeTheGeneric]

oh is that what u think ur doing lol
(((((there is not))))))

If it's any consolation, he's probably just trolling.

[Vigil]

so im just jealous?

found the kid getting an art degree. already preparing to hate on people not struggling to make it.

Nah see, you’re just deflecting into a completely different argument. Calling art pretentious is such a gross over generalization, considering the fact that culture is such an integral part of human life. Art and culture go hand in hand, and it’s a fundamental part of the human intellect. I’ll humor the train of thought and say that nowadays you have to be top 10% (at best) to make money off your art, strictly, and not external revenues. I’m taking all art, not just drawing. To make it as an artist you have to have multiple sources of income around your work. My merit for an artist is anyone trying their best to improve their own work, since ultimately that’s what art is, self expression. Anyone that actively seeks betterment and skill is an artist. That’s the dividing line between a hobbyist. Success in this highly competitive market is entirely based on your will to open as many doors as possible and seize opportunity. Those artists that improve daily and create opportunity are the ones that can live oof their work.

[hootaloo]

If it's any consolation, he's probably just trolling.

yes but i dont believe he initially meant to

[thegoodperry]

(((((there is not))))))

you're absolutely right. someone who paints pictures in their basement is definitely as qualified as someone who went to art school for 4 years and has worked as a concept art designer who painted concepts for various video games and movies for the last 8 years.

i wonder who i should go to advice for on my super important art project... person B is super qualified and knows everything about his vocation, but person A... wow i like the way he draws dogs... hnmmmm such a hard decision

[Vigil]

you're absolutely right. someone who paints pictures in their basement is definitely as qualified as someone who went to art school for 4 years and has worked as a concept art designer who painted concepts for various video games and movies for the last 8 years.

i wonder who i should go to advice for on my super important art project... person B is super qualified and knows everything about his vocation, but person A... wow i like the way he draws dogs... hnmmmm such a hard decision

If it came down to looking at their art pieces and person A was actually better, I’d do that. Your time at institutions doesn’t mean jack stuff if your quality isn’t represented by it. There are plenty of people that spend thousands of dollars at posh art schools and come out worse than those who are just straight up better. The great thing about art is that your qualifications aren’t objective and it’s entirely down to actual skill.

[hootaloo]

you're absolutely right. someone who paints pictures in their basement is definitely as qualified as someone who went to art school for 4 years and has worked as a concept art designer who painted concepts for various video games and movies for the last 8 years.

i wonder who i should go to advice for on my super important art project... person B is super qualified and knows everything about his vocation, but person A... wow i like the way he draws dogs... hnmmmm such a hard decision

if this is your point then you have completely strayed from the original topic you begun with and are fighting literally no one

both these people are artists, which you disagreed with, which is kind of stupid lmao

[thegoodperry]

If it came down to looking at their art pieces and person A was actually better, I’d do that. Your time at institutions doesn’t mean jack stuff if your quality isn’t represented by it. There are plenty of people that spend thousands of dollars at posh art schools and come out worse than those who are just straight up better. The great thing about art is that your qualifications aren’t objective and it’s entirely down to actual skill.

And then when you hire Person A and he turns out to be super lazy and procrastinates and overrides all your art directions and does his own thing you'll know which choice you should've gone with

Professionalism is leagues more important than skill. Working with your peers and understanding how your abilities need to come together and interact with the greater picture is more important than your ability to draw specific details or whatever

[hootaloo]

And then when you hire Person A and he turns out to be super lazy and procrastinates and overrides all your art directions and does his own thing you'll know which choice you should've gone with

because only art school teaches discipline and deadlines