Author Topic: chinas terrifying credit score system (Read 2210 times)

Conan · November 26, 2018, 12:43:23 PM

Quote from: thegoodperry on November 26, 2018, 11:06:07 AM

So what lol it's just quantifiable oppression. It's not like this credit system means anything. If you're a religious freedom fighter you'll be arrested anyways, not like this credit system is going to change that. It's like if the national socialists added aushwitz bucks that gave Jewish prisoners prize points for good labor which allowed them to purchase bread, but Jews without aushwitz bucks would starve. The question is, are aushwitz bucks bad, or is the Holocaust bad? If your hung up over the former wait till you see the gas chambers

This credit system isn't forgeted; China is forgeted. If anything this credit system is an improvement because it gives people an idea on how close they are to being sent off to a factory labor camp

china is forgeted cause of individual things like the credit system adding up to make the whole place forgeted. what you're saying is like saying spending an extra $1 on useless stuff isn't what's killing your finances, its your money management - part of fixing the problem is fixing/preventing "minor" or "secondary" issues from arising. you can't fix anything if you dont fix the symptoms too.

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thegoodperry · November 26, 2018, 01:04:37 PM

Cure the disease, and the symptoms go away. This credit system is the least bullstuff program the Chinese government imposes upon it's people. The problem is that their government is run by fascist deadbeats and nobody has the power to change that except the government itself and there's literally no incentive. We can't do anything; China makes 99% of our stuff. Getting angry at them is just a waste of everyone's energy

Conan · November 26, 2018, 01:15:22 PM

with that mentality nothing can be fixed without some sweeping almost-all-at-once societal change which isnt realistic. and there's no guarantee you can figure out the source/core reason. even in medicine, symptoms are handled first since that's something you can actually act on without a complete diagnosis.

sure we cant do stuff here in america, but we have to keep in mind whats happened up to this point in time lest we just ignore whats happening in the world. stuff like this can carry over to other countries if its perceived as "good" for the people. there's nothing wrong at looking at this unfold in china and thinking "well stuff that's forgeted" rather than thinking like a ccp apologist or cynical person.

thegoodperry · November 26, 2018, 01:20:57 PM

I mean I'm not afraid of a credit system (we already got one) I'm afraid of being arrested for not pledging allegiance or practicing religion or having all websites blocked. And we're far from any of that

Conan · November 26, 2018, 01:51:10 PM

Quote from: thegoodperry on November 26, 2018, 01:20:57 PM

I mean I'm not afraid of a credit system (we already got one) I'm afraid of being arrested for not pledging allegiance or practicing religion or having all websites blocked. And we're far from any of that

did you watch the video or look up sesame credit cause this isnt the same as the american credit score system, which is purely based off of your consistency of paying back loans.

this is a credit score based on your public profile and how much you shill for the government. the more you shill the higher your score. the more anti-party/wasteful stuff you post/buy/view, the lower your score (ex: playing too many video games, browsing western sites, shopping too much, etc). your score is also affected by the people you are associated/friends with, so you're naturally incentivized to ostracize anyone who speaks against party lines. your score feeds back into your ability to get loans, permits, coupons for online purchases, etc.

on top of this, china plans to make participation in this "social credit system/game" required for every chinese citizen sometime in the next decade, so it pretty much is the last step towards the ccp becoming a minor form of big brother.

Mr.No�ody · November 26, 2018, 02:10:26 PM

Quote from: thegoodperry on November 26, 2018, 11:06:07 AM

This credit system isn't forgeted; China is forgeted.

I would agree with this if China didn't voice support of seeing a credit system in the states if the video is anything to go by.
And judging by Annoying Orange's support of China, it might become a reality.

However, I highly doubt anybody anywhere else would have that fly. At least, Id hope so.
Either way, that situation is 100% forgeted.

YouKnowWhoAgain · November 26, 2018, 02:19:26 PM

Why can't china be eradicated?

thegoodperry · November 26, 2018, 06:14:34 PM

Quote from: Conan on November 26, 2018, 01:51:10 PM

did you watch the video or look up sesame credit cause this isnt the same as the american credit score system, which is purely based off of your consistency of paying back loans.

this is a credit score based on your public profile and how much you shill for the government. the more you shill the higher your score. the more anti-party/wasteful stuff you post/buy/view, the lower your score (ex: playing too many video games, browsing western sites, shopping too much, etc). your score is also affected by the people you are associated/friends with, so you're naturally incentivized to ostracize anyone who speaks against party lines. your score feeds back into your ability to get loans, permits, coupons for online purchases, etc.

on top of this, china plans to make participation in this "social credit system/game" required for every chinese citizen sometime in the next decade, so it pretty much is the last step towards the ccp becoming a minor form of big brother.

so it's just an institutionalized version of what we have here. in the us if your job found out you bought a Annoying Orange hat they'd totally fire your ass. in China you buy some anti xi peepee merch and you gotta do community service for a month

Black and White · November 26, 2018, 06:34:02 PM

ITT: thegoodperry demonstrates the end result of psudo-intellectual apathy.

More after the break.

Conan · November 26, 2018, 08:44:29 PM

Quote from: thegoodperry on November 26, 2018, 06:14:34 PM

so it's just an institutionalized version of what we have here. in the us if your job found out you bought a Annoying Orange hat they'd totally fire your ass. in China you buy some anti xi peepee merch and you gotta do community service for a month

not even close. if you speak out against Annoying Orange its not automatically put into a public record for everyone to view. sure coworkers or employers may talk to each other, but its not put into public domain in a way that actively encourages everyone else to ostracize you

also remember china does not have free speech protection like in the USA, and that this social credit score takes into consideration literally everything you do. unlike a facebook account with political stuff, has actual ramifications for your daily life beyond just your interactions with friends - for example it can make it tough for you to get a loan to buy a house/a permit to have children/get a raise even if you�re an excellent employee.

this is a way to turn social pressure into censorship while keeping the facade �well technically saying this stuff isnt against the law� and also not requiring the government to have to police things themselves, since most people would be willing to unfriend/ignore someone in order to get a better loan interest rate for themselves

Conan · November 26, 2018, 08:59:43 PM

compared to other stuff the ccp does, social credit doesnt seem all that bad. but if this system continues to exist, and grows in influence, it will preemptively stop any discussion or protest of future and current ccp policies.

aka: if you think this is not that big of a deal, you either think censorship is no biggie, or have no clue how this system affects the social and media dynamic

Stellarnaut · November 26, 2018, 09:01:05 PM

just baby wipe china off the face of the planet. boom problem solved

Col. Burton · November 26, 2018, 09:53:04 PM

its literally black mirror

MoltenKitten · November 26, 2018, 11:46:00 PM

What dafuq you mean something stuffty is happening in a communist state?

Black and White · November 27, 2018, 11:03:36 AM

Quote from: snot2 on November 26, 2018, 08:28:10 AM

it happens in black mirror episode nosedive

Also in The Orville episode "Majority rule"