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I have posted a possibility for the election outcome in 6 variations. Choose your preferred below.

A. https://i.imgur.com/F6TVPLY.png
8 (34.8%)
B. https://i.imgur.com/uuRmNcE.png
3 (13%)
C. https://i.imgur.com/JK2OSsA.png
1 (4.3%)
D. https://i.imgur.com/sl6MVas.png
2 (8.7%)
E. https://i.imgur.com/K1GHlD3.png
2 (8.7%)
F. https://i.imgur.com/br3Sp06.png
7 (30.4%)

Total Members Voted: 23

Author Topic: U.S.A. Politics Thread | Annoying Orange dared to try not to count non-citizens.  (Read 104469 times)

That's one serious whataboutism but if there's a grading chart then fine, I withdraw on semantics.
Using examples of actual third world countries as compared to first world countries with included data that supports my statements is not whataboutism. Whataboutism involves the idea of referring a situation without disproving the other's argument. I used the HDI as a vehicle for proving that the United States is far from the state of a LDC, on the basis of a metric that takes into account various factors that determine the development of a country as a whole. I directly tackled your argument, I didn't just refer to Afghanistan, Liberia, and Syria and call it a day. I gave you a metric with which to prove my assertion. I can also give you examples based off of GDP and PPP for the value and strength of the American economy, and various other measurements that also prove that America is far from an underdeveloped country.


p values?
It sorta compares the purchasing values of currencies. You know about exchange rates between different currencies? That's kind of what I'm talking about here. What currency is worth the most/least in the world economy and such.

It sorta compares the purchasing values of currencies. You know about exchange rates between different currencies? That's kind of what I'm talking about here. What currency is worth the most/least in the world economy and such.
what about the pee values

what about the pee values
Depends how much pee is stored in the balls.

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"America has a stuffton of infrastructure and development but it's managed and priced so terribly access is at times comparable to a third world country"
"That cannot be true! Look at all the infrastructure and development it has! And look at these categorically listed third world countries and how much they don't."
This is indeed a whataboutism.
Yeah, I suppose it was probably grossly exaggerative rhetoric to begin with but I have no idea what in god's name you think you're arguing against.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2020, 03:19:11 PM by Justanaverageguy »

"America has a stuffton of infrastructure and development but it's managed and priced so terribly access is at times comparable to a third world country"
"That cannot be true! Look at all the infrastructure and development it has! And look at these categorically listed third world countries and how much they don't."
This is indeed a whataboutism.
Yeah, I suppose it was probably grossly exaggerative rhetoric to begin with but I have no idea what in god's name you think you're arguing against.
I'm arguing against your disagreement on the fact that I said that the US is not a third world country. Have you not been reading what I've been typing? Of course it's going to seem exaggerated when I compare ACTUAL third world countries to that of the first world. The gulf of development between the two is huge. The vast majority of the population is healthy and not in poverty, while the COVID-19 pandemic has exaggerated this, if this WAS a third world country, that would be the case. The system needs fixing, but we're not on the levels of the countries that actually fit the description of a third world country.
It's just a third world country with more bells and whistles my dude.
Saying this is flat-out incorrect, and giving you examples and data to prove you wrong isn't whataboutism.

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Except all the all the data you've provided is unrelated to the talking point of the rhetoric, and you're practically arguing with yourself by citing things like development and not access to resources or care or wealth distribution, down to weird talking points which in isolation don't reflect the vastly different immediate accessibility of services across population like GDP. If you wanted to just show statistics on services based on averages or some stuff you probably won't have needed to write a small essay. I'm not sure anyone here but you took it as a literal statement, but I even spelled it out as rhetoric for your convenience. It looks like you read the post, decided I meant in absolute that US = Niger, and then went about debunking that. I've conceded the obvious that it was exaggeration to whatever strange need that fills for you, and I'm not sure why you're still ranting.

« Last Edit: October 06, 2020, 03:53:29 PM by Justanaverageguy »

quoted for truth
bruh i edited it out cause i felt it was uncalled for those r no longer my words

so you're saying i shouldnt be a real n*gga? not happening
exactly the trap is my workplace
« Last Edit: October 06, 2020, 04:03:32 PM by JumboMuffin »

Except all the all the data you've provided is unrelated to the talking point of the rhetoric, and you're practically arguing with yourself by citing things like development and not access to resources or care or wealth distribution, down to weird talking points which in isolation don't reflect the vastly different immediate accessibility of services across population like GDP. If you wanted to just show statistics on services based on averages or some stuff you probably won't have needed to write a small essay. I'm not sure anyone here but you took it as a literal statement, but I even spelled it out as rhetoric for your convenience. It looks like you read the post, decided I meant in absolute that US = Niger, and then went about debunking that. I've conceded the obvious it was exaggeration to whatever strange need that fills for you, and I'm not sure why you're still ranting.
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All of my data was absolutely related to what I was trying to debunk, which was your statement that I quoted in my previous post. This isn't a rant, none of what I said is emotional whatsoever, this is just a disagreement with your statements. Then you called almost the entirety of my post whataboutism, which I refuted, though it seems when you were referring to exaggeration,
here:
Yeah, I suppose it was probably grossly exaggerative rhetoric to begin with
I thought you meant MY post being exaggerated and not your original statement. Seems some wires got crossed and I misunderstood what you were referring to. And I've barely written maybe 3 or 4 paragraphs, do you seriously call that a full essay? That's barely a half a page. But just for kicks, lets talk about access to health care, wealth distribution, and access to 'resources' across the United States and see if it's on par with third world countries. First on health care, here's a chart from the CDC on access to American healthcare (https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/hus/ataglance.htm):
these don't seem like numbers that would represent a third world country like Liberia, Though they could definitely be better. I couldn't find data that was arranged exactly like the chart above for Liberia or other third world countries, but the fact that there is 1 doctor per 76,000 people kind of illustrates my point for me (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Liberia). Next, In terms of wealth distribution, obviously wealth distribution heavily favors the upper classes, and that's a problem. Like I said, America isn't perfect. Finally, access to 'resources', I'm not exactly sure what you mean by resources, but I'm going to assume that means food, water, clothing, and electricity as those are the first things that spring to mind when one thinks of resources. That would represent the National Poverty Line. Which is defined as the bare minimum amount of money needed to purchase transportation arrangements, food, water, clothing, and other assorted bills. As of 2018 11.8% of the US is below the poverty line. (https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2019/demo/p60-266.html) Could be better, as it's always good for poverty to be reduced and access of resources to be increased. However, again, these numbers doesn't seem to be representative of a third world country. We'll use Rwanda as an example, the poverty rate in Rwanda is 55% (https://www.worldbank.org/en/country/rwanda/overview).

what im saying is that you need to live a teejayx6 lifestyle and run a hustle that is a low risk to your health
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You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point lmao, I cannot be bothered. You even accepted it's an exaggeration and then still need to follow up every statistic cited with "it could be better." Some wires crossed is an understatement.
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You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point lmao, I cannot be bothered. You even accepted it's an exaggeration and then still need to follow up every statistic cited with "it could be better." Some wires crossed is an understatement.
Then don't bother. Don't say flagrantly inaccurate things about America next time.

Then don't bother. Don't say flagrantly inaccurate things about America next time.
I'm not. You're brown town about some rhetoric you don't like and have decided that in order to combat it you're going to take it as face-value as possible and crunch numbers that at first aren't even relevant because comparing a country with abject poverty issues to a class of abject poverty is too daring for you.
I'll be honest, I give so few forgets about this talking point that I'd rather get a golden shower than waste time finding instances of economic disparity to rebute any of this. It's just not interesting compared to the actual topic at hand and it's a waste of time over what very clearly only means anything to you.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2020, 06:13:28 PM by Justanaverageguy »

I'm not. You're brown town about some rhetoric you don't like and have decided that in order to combat it you're going to take it as face-value as possible and crunch numbers that at first aren't even relevant because comparing a country with abject poverty issues to a class of abject poverty is too daring for you.
I'll be honest, I give so few forgets about this talking point that I'd rather get a golden shower than waste time finding instances of economic disparity to rebute any of this. It's just not interesting compared to the actual topic at hand and it's a waste of time over what very clearly only means anything to you.
I'll stop bothering for you, then.