Proof that RtB breaks the mod rules

[|nf|n|ty]

So, if i'm correct, you're saying that RTB should be banned because you can send players to jail for a set period of time?
I don't see what the big deal is, if the admin is generally abusive, then it's the person, but the majority of admiins won't even resort to this unless the player forces them to.
And, about the muted part, you can STILL whisper, and i think team chat as well.
i don't see it as a mojor problem, its not like PTTA (sorry ytud) PTTA has tons of abusive 'features'. Some people hate PTTA for it, yet PTTA is still here.
I really think this issue should be dropped.
Mod wars/arguments are stupid.

Lets take this line by line, shall we?

"So, if i'm correct, you're saying that RTB should be banned because you can send players to jail for a set period of time?"

Well, you see, in Badspot's mod rules it says this-

All mods posted on these forums must comply with these guidlines:

and this

4. Free from Excessive "Punishment" -  A mod cannot contain any excessive administrative punishment functions such as muting, blinding, or immobilizing.  Power corrupts, and there is no need to give admins even more power.  I cannot stop you from doing this on your own server, but don't post it on the forum.

I'm just putting out in the open what Badspot needs to hear. And that is that RtB breaks his rules for mods allowed on these forums.

"I don't see what the big deal is, if the admin is generally abusive, then it's the person, but the majority of admiins won't even resort to this unless the player forces them to."

"And, about the muted part, you can STILL whisper, and i think team chat as well."

That still does not change the fact that these functions are in there, whether people use them or not. Heck, not many people knew about TBM's exploit, but it was in there for months! I'm just showing what i've found, just like what people did to TBM. If you have a problem w/ that i suggest we talk about it elsewhere.

"i don't see it as a mojor problem, its not like PTTA (sorry ytud) PTTA has tons of abusive 'features'. Some people hate PTTA for it, yet PTTA is still here."

We can discuss PTTA later, and since i do not have its code to properly look for certain problems, i will not talk about it.

"I really think this issue should be dropped.
Mod wars/arguments are stupid."

I'm glad to hear your opinion.

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[mocheeze]

Haha, this is hilarious. I don't know if I've seen someone make such a mountain out of a molehill in a very long time. Where do I begin?

It seems like I should just copy and paste most of my last posts for you because the arguments still apply.

I've already said that jailing stops people from committing Self Delete. But "jailing" as it's called in the mod is just the telportation of a player to a specific brick without the permission of Self Delete. Again, excessive is a subjective term. It's up to badspot whether or not this is considered excessive. We've had this feature in RTB since version 1.03 at least, so it's not like this is something new. Nobody has had a problem with it in the last 6 months, I'm not sure why Infinity is making a fuss about this now, except that he is bitter over something.

Now, I'm not sure why you posted rule #1 there. Go to our website, download the zip file for RTB 1.04. Where are there files in there that edit the ones in the vanilla folders?

About the push dialog. I'm not a coder, so I think Ephialtes would be the guy to step in here, but I can guess that it was included into RTB so that when you join a server like the Blockland RPG one, it will bring up the log-in box for you to type in without you needing to download a separate patch just to play on a single server. I don't know the method for the flash grenades, but those might use this same function to blind players when they are hit by them in death-match. (And don't tell me that flash grenades are violating the rules, it's not an admin function used for punishing players).

And rule number 5 is there a lot for the reason of stopping mods from putting in scripts that edit people's files. This had to be done because a mod named TBM tried to code these types of exploits into their mod because they didn't want people using a mod that took their models. Pushing a GUI is a lot different than changing people's prefs and key binding files. I think you're REALLY stretching here.

I've been talking with Luq about these things on AIM, and he says that the jailing and server moderation is breaking the rules, but that that that rule is so dumb that it's hard not to break it. I can agree that that rule is a little extreme. Should people not be allowed to kick and ban people from their servers too? It's a fuzzy line of where you can and can't cross, which is what makes that rule hard to follow. I still say that RTB's admin abilities are no-where "excessive", which is why I don't worry. Really the final word comes down from Badspot whether this stuff is excessive or not. If he says it is, then it will all go out right away.

And nobody got TBM banned but TBM's creators who coded an exploit into their code. They were unwilling to take responsibility for their actions, and they got punished. Don't try and blame that on BJ because he was looking out for the Blockland community.

To even imply that RTB is doing something similar to TBM is kind of extreme. RTB isn't hiding it's stuff in antenna.cs. All of these functions are easily seen from the admin menu. You could have saved your self a bunch of time by just looking at a single screenshot. People are aware of what's in RTB. It's not excessive. Nobody has complained to us or in our forums that our mod is unfair for the users. You're not doing a service by revealing anything because everyone already knows these  features exist, and nobody cares. It's a bygone rule that the users police on their own. If a mod where to make people hate playing the game, then they just wouldn't play that mod (look at TBM).

[Luquado]

I was going to stay out, but to clarify the above, yes, as I've said, I think the rules are dumb (mocheeze thinks some are, I think most are, but we agree to disagree). But if you're going to have them, they should be enforced or applied uniformly, IMHO. Otherwise just get rid of them and say "I don't want TBM on these boards," which is what it seems like & is perfectly within the rights of the owner of the board to say.

[Badspot]

[Indy]

Lawl.

[mocheeze]

I guess that settles it? :P

[|nf|n|ty]

Now, I'm not sure why you posted rule #1 there. Go to our website, download the zip file for RTB 1.04. Where are there files in there that edit the ones in the vanilla folders?

I had downloaded the complete package, you can check it out for yourself if you need to.

Pushing a GUI is a lot different than changing people's prefs and key binding files. I think you're REALLY stretching here.

And i argee, but wouldn't you find it at all annoying if you joined a server and constantly got flooded w/ popup windows?

It's a fuzzy line of where you can and can't cross, which is what makes that rule hard to follow.

4. Free from Excessive "Punishment" -  A mod cannot contain any excessive administrative punishment functions such as muting, blinding, or immobilizing.  Power corrupts, and there is no need to give admins even more power.  I cannot stop you from doing this on your own server, but don't post it on the forum.

I think the rule is pretty clear, it even says you cannot mute a user! RtB clearly does this! How on earth can you possibly say RtB does not break that rule?

I still say that RTB's admin abilities are no-where "excessive", which is why I don't worry.

As i said a few posts back on a test server i had run, an admin was able to mute me, lock me in jail and take away all my money. All this happened when i was the local admin. Anyways, nice talking to you.

[mocheeze]

Anyways, nice talking to you.

Wish I could say the same. I guess not everyone wants to be an attention whore.

[|nf|n|ty]

Wish I could say the same. I guess not everyone wants to be an attention whore.

Again with the childish comments... :(

[mocheeze]

Wish I could say the same. I guess not everyone wants to be an attention whore.

Again with the childish comments... :(

Yes, because this whole thread isn't a big childish game that you're playing? Stop trying manipulate people, you're not proving anything, buddy.

[Facechild]

Can everyone agree to drop it?

[mocheeze]

Dropped.

[|nf|n|ty]

Yes, because this whole thread isn't a big childish game that you're playing? Stop trying manipulate people, you're not proving anything, buddy.

I'm trying to manipulate people? I'm just showing them hard evidense that these problems do exist! Do you wonder why i give the location and line numbers for the functions? Its so any user can go in and see for themselves. And what? all i get for it is flaming and name-calling? Who do you think you are? I'm not proving anything? I just proved that RtB breaks the rules, and that it shoudl be taken off the forum because of this. I'm not trying to flame, troll, or anything. I'm just providing facts to the BL community.

And please stop it with the insults.

[Wedge]

I think Badspot settled the issue with his post, that he would take no action.

[Ytud Fo]

We can discuss PTTA later, and since i do not have its code to properly look for certain problems, i will not talk about it.

Don't even try it, do you know how many topics have been made about that point? too many.