Why worship god, when...

[Zaem]

I may not be a perfect Christian and at times it is hard to believe God might exist, you have too admit that being created by a higher being is convenient (and at times more plausible in sense of the emergence of life, I mean seriously! What are the chances that a bundle of molecules squished together into aggregates could develop the ability to proceed with the simplest life functions of bacteria, let alone develop intelligence and sentience. When you look at it that way it is pretty hard not to believe that there was a higher being guiding the process however it occurred).

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[Colten]

I may not be a perfect Christian and at times it is hard to believe God might exist, you have too admit that being created by a higher being is convenient (and at times more plausible in sense of the emergence of life, I mean seriously! What are the chances that a bundle of molecules squished together into aggregates could develop the ability to proceed with the simplest life functions of bacteria, let alone develop intelligence and sentience. When you look at it that way it is pretty hard not to believe that there was a higher being guiding the process however it occurred).

A bit more than that of a being creating us

[Reactor Worker]

I may not be a perfect Christian and at times it is hard to believe God might exist, you have too admit that being created by a higher being is convenient (and at times more plausible in sense of the emergence of life, I mean seriously! What are the chances that a bundle of molecules squished together into aggregates could develop the ability to proceed with the simplest life functions of bacteria, let alone develop intelligence and sentience. When you look at it that way it is pretty hard not to believe that there was a higher being guiding the process however it occurred).

Throw paint at a wall an infinite number of times and eventually you'll get the Mona Lisa. Same deal as the monkeys and typewriters recreating the works of Shakespeare.

It's not a matter of odds, it is a matter of coincidence, or as some might call it, "luck".

It is hard to comprehend the shear scale of the universe around us, but it is theorized that at some point in time, everything can happen that could happen, has happened. Multiple copies of galaxies, solar systems, even planets and people...all with only slight (or major) differences.

As I have stated multiple times, imagining a creator or using one as an explanation for the world around us is a lazy and pointless exercise. It neither truthfully answers the question, nor does it sponsor further thought, further exploration. That same logic has been used to oppress, enslave and brutally murder millions, perhaps billions of people over the course of human history. Some of the least favored governments, monarchies, are entirely founded on the belief that a god endowed a certain blood line with the right to rule, the right to absolute power.

An atheistic perspective might not make you feel comfortable inside, it won't help you sleep at night, nor will it stave of the anxieties we despise so much. However, what it can offer is an open mind, a curious nature that promotes the advancement and betterment of mankind. It promotes individual thinking, not the herd mentality enforced by society. Morals are no longer based on fear of punishment from a god, but rather on the practical acceptance that all our actions have consequences, and if everyone agrees to certain limitations, we can all live better lives.

I'd like to scurry away from the argument as some opponents are wont to do; to simply state "lets all just agree to disagree". But that doesn't accomplish anything. Then we still have people living in fear, trapped in small worlds, opposing the flow of progress.

[Ghoul]

Reactor has a point. Things can happen twice.

I just want to know how (what Zaem said) a couple of molecules got together and made a cell, or even the tiniest life form, and after that, getting the capability to copy its self and create reproduction. Then a huge amount of those cells got together to create the first (what would be visible, if we were around) life forms. After that, they evolve into creatures that can think, create, learn, and communicate with eachother. Even after that, they develop civilizations and magnificent creations, the likes of which would never be found amongst any other species, or in nature at all, for that matter.

Still, it's a questionable idea.

[Reactor Worker]

Reactor has a point. Things can happen twice.

I just want to know how (what Zaem said) a couple of molecules got together and made a cell, or even the tiniest life form, and after that, getting the capability to copy its self and create reproduction. Then a huge amount of those cells got together to create the first (what would be visible, if we were around) life forms. After that, they evolve into creatures that can think, create, learn, and communicate with eachother. Even after that, they develop civilizations and magnificent creations, the likes of which would never be found amongst any other species, or in nature at all, for that matter.

Still, it's a questionable idea.

It is quite likely that there are millions of planets with the necessary building blocks for life, but just the right circumstances didn't occur and so life never came to be. Again it all boils down to how large the universe is. Any increase in dimension exponentially increases the potential for anything to happen.

It is almost certain, according to some universal theories, that there mirror images of earth. Perhaps the dinosaurs are still alive on those earths, or maybe the national socialist's succeeded in conquering the world.

From our 'basic' perspective it seems nigh on impossible that so many events lined up perfectly to get us to where we are today. But just as humanity has experience an innumerable number of failures, so has the universe.

It is akin to purchasing trillions of lottery tickets each with different combinations of numbers. Odds are you are going to win.

[orange wolf]

I like to think Jesus was the worlds first magician, turning water into wine was him just pouring a packet of food coloring into a jug of water, and the devils names was De-vile and was Jesus' rival in optical illusions untill people started thinking of them as witches.

its always fun to look on the illogical side of life.

[Digmaster]

Already done. Aren't you just on the ball?

Mind explaining? Google is not my friend, all it comes up with are some things about how special realitivty is disproven and how relativity can not be disproven.

However, I always knew it would be done, so yay :D One theory after another bites the dust.

[Skele]

I didn't feel like reading over the topic, maybe this was posted already, maybe it wasn't.

There is some conspiracy about religion, I wish I could find the video I watched about it, but oh well, I'll go from what I remember. The idea of worshiping the Sun is believed to be the origin of religion. Think the Sun of God rather than the Son of God. In fact, if you look at most of the depictions of Jesus, there is a circular orb behind his head which could be a representation of just this idea. From what I remember of the video, many religions have a similar Son of God and whole death and resurrection event during the same period of time of the year. This is because the Sun goes through a pattern in the sky that makes it look like its lowering below the horizon and then days later rising from the same side during this time. (Something along this)

Maybe if someone feels like looking into it more they can explain it better.

[TapeDeck]

Same deal as the monkeys and typewriters recreating the works of Shakespeare.

Thanks to the internet, we know this is not true.

[Reactor Worker]

Thanks to the internet, we know this is not true.

The internet has not lasted for an eternity.

[Syntho]

Not to rain on anyones parade or anything but who created the sun? Your probrobly going to say atoms and other scientific stuff but who created those? Seriously, think about it :/

[Skele]

The fact of the matter is that the subject is too great for any one person to comprehend. To think we could ever fully explain it seems arrogant.

[[GSF]Ghost]

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If the universe learned from trial and error wouldn't that mean it has some kind of intelligence behind it? Plus that is just philosophy, there is no proof to justify a trial-and-error scenario that caused life.

You can worship the sun?
Honestly, I can't see how some people think "God" will save them and "Jesus" is the almighty lord. I don't mean to offend any believers here, and there is a lot of faith required to actually believe in it, but it's all science at the end of the day.
A) You can't see them, hear them, or feel them.
B) Science proves that there is no possible way of giant people floating in the clouds.
C) How the hell is some belief going to keep us all alive?
Now the sun, it's totally different.
A) You can see it's light, and you can feel the heat from it.
B) We already know that the sun quite clearly exists.
C) Without it, we might as well call our planet a chunk of ice.
George Carlin did a huge comedy part about warshipping the sun instead, it's pretty funny, but has a lot of meaning.
EDIT: Lol "Warship."

Worshiping the sun is illogical. Science doesn't disprove God, Jesus, angels, etc. because science is what can be observed, tested, and repeated; that is how we get facts. You can't test the existence of God, Jesus, or angels, so it all comes down to faith. But, we can use science to prove that reality is objective and that miracles can follow objective reason, such as energy. Science doesn't answer the difficult questions of existence. Creationism has even been proved true by scientists; there are about 10,000 creationist scientists in the United States, many are afraid to challenge the status quo. If anyone is interested in the truth behind Creationism using science and logic, visit http://drdino.com and watch some of the debates. His debates have brought many science teachers to tears because of the overwhelming evidence of Creation Science.

Do leprechauns exits? Can you prove it? No, so we have faith that based on cohesive understanding and logic that they don't. But, we can't be sure. We are born destined to be limited by comprehension, and if perfection exists then we will never be able to understand it until we reach a higher level of consciousness.

I worship God for many reasons.
1] God's promise of salvation through his son Jesus
2] The authenticity of the Bible - which is God's word, and God's word is guidance for imperfect beings a.k.a. humans to live life in a way to continue loving God - is proof for me.
3] God's existence can't be proven or disproven, but evidence can be realized over time. I.E.: If you feel something invisible continuing to hit you then you would conclude it's the wind.
4] There have been many strange occurrences which cannot be explained rationally, except if a God was present in an objective reality.
5] It's logical. If you think about it, everything is fits in perfectly with the existence of God and Christianity: pain, existence, logic, miracles, events in history, etc.

Not to rain on anyones parade or anything but who created the sun? Your probrobly going to say atoms and other scientific stuff but who created those? Seriously, think about it :/

People would argue the big bang, but that is just philosophy,which has emerged into a religion nowadays. It is against the law to teach lies in our schools, and yet somehow evolution is taken for granted as a fact as is being taught. $500,000 has been offered for the past 12 years for anyone who can provide facts to support evolution, but no one has claimed it yet. Evolution started out as a theory with no facts to support it. But, it was taught anyway because of the space-race scenario.

The fact of the matter is that the subject is too great for any one person to comprehend. To think we could ever fully explain it seems arrogant.

Exactly, we are imperfect and are born destined to be intellectually limited. God did give us cohesive logic however, to make it easier.

unlike most things in the bible where god one day, had changed his mind for no apparent reason and stated new creed;
things like multiple wives, revenge (in name of god), stoning gay people, and converting by force have not been reversed yet.
yet no Christians truly follow that word of god. therefore all Christians are sinners and will burn.

This is a common argument. When you realize who the old testament was written for then you'll realize why that type of negative language was used, but it's not literal.

Also, in the different versions of Christianity (Catholic, Protestant, ect) not all of them include that detail that Jesus was born from a virgin. I don't know about you guys, but if some guy was born from a chick who hadn't ever had love, that kind of freaky stuff would be recorded in any incarnation of the book that's about it. That's like saying you write three biographies about John F Kennedy and in the third one you forget to mention the fact that he was shot in the head!

We get to thank Martin Luther for our skewed denominations, not authenticity.

Do you even know anything about genetics? Did you bother to look anything up or did you just pull a random number out of your gullible ass?
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There's a large group of organisms of the same species with slight variations in genetic material
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There's lots of proof of evolution too (as opposed to all the mumbo jumbo in the bible):

• Homology: all animals share common features: 4 limbs, 2 eyes, a nose, a stomach, a digestive track, lungs, etc.
• Embryology: embryos go through their evolutionary background as they develop. For example: human embryos have gills at a certain point.
• Observation: both micro- and macro-evolution have been observed.
• Fossils: fossils of extinct species show the steps between different types of animals, for example, reptiles growing feathers and becoming birds or fish growing legs.
• ...

TL;DR: Don't bother to reply if you didn't read it all.

Slight variations is mirco-evolution; species do evolve, but only enough to adapt. If species did experience macro-evolution then it would take much longer than theorized, estimated to about 1trillion to 10trillion years due to the complexity of our body and of micro organisms. In terms of Homology, sharing common features doesn't mean we have a common ancester, it means we have a common designer. As for gills, that has been disproven in embryos. Really, marco and micro-evolution have been observed? I thought it took millions of years? No fossils don't, we just fill in the gaps and call it science. In logic there is a law called the Law of the Excluded middle, which means even though two things share similar characteristics, dosen't mean they are the same.

This topic can go die for all I care.
I am very Catholic.

Amen to that.

Please explain existance of Jesus.

Please explain existence in general.

The people who wrote it [the Bible] were probably high on opium or something.

Did you conclude that logically?

[carbonman14]

This is one of those topics that realy make you think
first of all i like to think of the human brain as a computer, a computer with a lot more prosessing power than any ever built. this lage amount of prosessing power enables us to have an imagination (remember this is only a theorey). with this imagination we are able to create things out of virtualy nothing.

so in a way we created god, the univers, and everything

or the answer to the question of how the universe was created might be just outside of our mental prosessing power

or even we might just think we are so smart and have figured out how the universe was created and everything, but the answer is something so simple that we forgot about it over the years we existed

so i belive that neither god nor science is real and the answer is so simple that we have all forgotten about it
that answer could even be that we dont even exist at all somehow

but for now i choose science cus i can actualy see it and know that most of it is true for now

all of the words before the last paragraph were only a theorey i got caried away on, but there is a posibility that it is true

after all that typeing the best thing to warship would indeed be a sandwitch

[[GSF]Ghost]

This is one of those topics that realy make you think
first of all i like to think of the human brain as a computer, a computer with a lot more prosessing power than any ever built. this lage amount of prosessing power enables us to have an imagination (remember this is only a theorey). with this imagination we are able to create things out of virtualy nothing.

so in a way we created god, the univers, and everything

or the answer to the question of how the universe was created might be just outside of our mental prosessing power

or even we might just think we are so smart and have figured out how the universe was created and everything, but the answer is something so simple that we forgot about it over the years we existed

so i belive that neither god nor science is real and the answer is so simple that we have all forgotten about it
that answer could even be that we dont even exist at all somehow

but for now i choose science cus i can actualy see it and know that most of it is true for now

all of the words before the last paragraph were only a theorey i got caried away on, but there is a posibility that it is true

after all that typeing the best thing to warship would indeed be a sandwitch

Your open minded which is good. Yes our brains have incredible processing power; I once heard it's around 10 petaflops. But, reality is objective, which means it doesn't depend on our mind; if everyone died it would still exists, if everyone was colorblind there would still be color, etc. If truth exists, then it would be objective too and would still be around even today - we could discover truth through objective / cohesive reason. If something is true, it will constantly remind us that it is true. So we didn't create everything, we just perceive it. Science is our way of limiting objectivity so we can understand it with our imperfect minds.