Author Topic: Why worship god, when...  (Read 25065 times)

On the frog thing, look at it this way. There's some sort of animal that lives in an area. Now, because of changing conditions, some go east, some go west, some stay. And lookie here, two new species if they stay separate for several centuries. Changes in the enviroment makes organisms change how they work. Some do one thing, and others do a different thing. Mutations occur within this groups, and we have new species, its very simple. And unsuperior being still live because they have no reason to die. Just because your not as good as math as the guy sitting in front of you doesn't mean they'll force you out of the class.

They are talking about theoretical models that have no place to stand. Little ideas in the back of a scientists mind of how the work works. they seem to love basing their article on something that barely has a foothold. they neglect to incorporate basic scientific principles into their arguments and they seem to be slightly resurched.

cold, food, air, metal, and science are the only thing i worship these days

Please, science is not a beliefe structure.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 01:39:15 AM by Digmaster »

Silly non-realistic Christians.



Please, science is not a beliefe structure.

and the cold, food, and air are?

Silly non-realistic Christians.
lol

If your up to making a religion around the absence of heat, go ahead.

If your up to making a religion around the absence of heat, go ahead.

I'm sticking with Digi here.

On the frog thing, look at it this way. There's some sort of animal that lives in an area. Now, because of changing conditions, some go east, some go west, some stay. And lookie here, two new species if they stay separate for several centuries. Changes in the enviroment makes organisms change how they work. Some do one thing, and others do a different thing. Mutations occur within this groups, and we have new species, its very simple. And unsuperior being still live because they have no reason to die. Just because your not as good as math as the guy sitting in front of you doesn't mean they'll force you out of the class.

They are talking about theoretical models that have no place to stand. Little ideas in the back of a scientists mind of how the work works. they seem to love basing their article on something that barely has a foothold. they neglect to incorporate basic scientific principles into their arguments and they seem to be slightly resurched.

Please, science is not a beliefe structure.
Good point, changes in the environment do lead to micro-evolution, but macro mutations have not been observed or repeated. Thus, we are left with theories. I even heard one of the leading scientists said evolution is over which isn't logical. The only thing we have witnessed so far is that dogs make dogs, cats make cats, birds make birds, etc. The only variation are different types of dogs, cats, and birds. And if slight variations are necessary for adapting, then why do full-fledged macro mutations take place?

Silly non-realistic Christians.
How are we non-realistic? Prove it please. Digmaster is at least using logic to disagree.

Good point, changes in the environment do lead to micro-evolution, but macro mutations have not been observed or repeated.
I'll find the link eventually, but there have been lots of instances where a species has gotten isolated from other member of themselves, and they can no longer mate. The best example I can think of are frogs who had slightly different breeding times who are now completely different species.
 Thus, we are left with theories. I even heard one of the leading scientists said evolution is over which isn't logical.
For humans it is. As people with bad genes survive due to our medical advances, we start stucking bad mutations everywhere. Evolution for humans has basically stopped, in fact it may start to go into reverse due to people with bad mutations surviving.
 The only thing we have witnessed so far is that dogs make dogs, cats make cats, birds make birds, etc. The only variation are different types of dogs, cats, and birds.
However, you have to think of it as steps. There are hundreds of steps from the bottom to the stop, which is a brand new species. Each stop is a tiny little mutation.
 And if slight variations are necessary for adapting, then why do full-fledged macro mutations take place?
Give it time. It takes forever for new species to occur. Unless your bacteria. Then its a matter of days. Bacteria keep getting mutations that are resistant to anti-biotics. The ones that survive give birth, and we have more immune bacteria. Bacteria are an absolutely beautiful example of evolution in progress.

Never in my life have I understood how christians are supposed to disprove science with science.

That's like saying disprove the bible using only evidence from the bible.

Why worship god, when... you could worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, become a Pastafarian. Ramen, and may you forever be Touched by His Noodly Appendage.




http://www.venganza.org/

I have been touched by his noodelyness for many a year. He is truth.

Never in my life have I understood how christians are supposed to disprove science with science.

That's like saying disprove the bible using only evidence from the bible.

Its like setting detonation cord on with with more detonation cord. You can find things that just doesn't work with other things, and then use a crowbar to break it wide open. Thus disproving something with the same thing.

Its like setting detonation cord on with with more detonation cord. You can find things that just doesn't work with other things, and then use a crowbar to break it wide open. Thus disproving something with the same thing.

I suppose so, though that's a confusing example I think. As for all this blasphemous evolution nonsense, I have yet to form an opinion other than the general "olol it's bad kthx"
I haven't learned enough about it to actually argue about it.

As someone who has read the entirety of the bible twice and is very interested in science, all I can say is that something somewhere has got to full out be fake. Mostly places can be bent, but there are places that just full out don't work with what we know.

Why worship god, when... you could worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, become a Pastafarian, Ramen, and may you forever be Touched by His Noodly Appendage.
You lost the game and so you change the rules? Debate this logically or do some research, but don't post useless moronic content in a mature topic.

Never in my life have I understood how christians are supposed to disprove science with science.
That's like saying disprove the bible using only evidence from the bible.
What we understand is based on philosophy, and facts become facts if they are consistent and cohesive. When we are not present to witness something, we use logic to reach a conclusion rationally. Facts act as a "checkpoint" to reinforce theories. So we are not debating science, but rather theories.

Quote
I'll find the link eventually, but there have been lots of instances where a species has gotten isolated from other member of themselves, and they can no longer mate. The best example I can think of are frogs who had slightly different breeding times who are now completely different species.
Isolated how? Give me the link if you find it.

Quote
For humans it is. As people with bad genes survive due to our medical advances, we start stucking bad mutations everywhere. Evolution for humans has basically stopped, in fact it may start to go into reverse due to people with bad mutations surviving.
Medicine would not cause a decrease or instant stop of evolution, this is not logical. It is also not logical for evolution to reverse if the environment which caused the mutation doesn't reverse with it.

Quote
However, you have to think of it as steps. There are hundreds of steps from the bottom to the stop, which is a brand new species. Each stop is a tiny little mutation.
There is no reason for a dog to change species, small variations are logical. If a dog can't adapt then it leaves to return to it's natural habitat or it dies.

Quote
Give it time. It takes forever for new species to occur. Unless your bacteria. Then its a matter of days. Bacteria keep getting mutations that are resistant to anti-biotics. The ones that survive give birth, and we have more immune bacteria. Bacteria are an absolutely beautiful example of evolution in progress.
Bacteria becomes resistant because it looses information, not because it gains new information. And that would still be a micro mutation, not full-fledged evolution. Micro organisms must have biology that functions perfectly or it will die. Thus, it can't evolve unless it's a small mutation such as an increased resistance. There is also no reason for it to mutate completely.

A problem with evolution is this: All living organisms come from living organisms right? Well then where did the first living organisms come from? I heard a theory about after the big bang the earth was incredibly hot, and the rain cooled it down which caused matter to melt and form a primordial soup, but that has not been proven to create life nor is it a logical conclusion. However, I will never look at "soup" the same way again -_-
Upon that, due to the magnetic force of the earth, the increased growth of the deserts, the reverse flow of the river through the grand canon, the inconsistencies with carbon dating, and many other factors leading to a "young-earth" situation, evolution just doesn't seem plausible. I seriously doubt humans can mutation from micro organisms within a couple billion years anyway.

As someone who has read the entirety of the bible twice and is very interested in science, all I can say is that something somewhere has got to full out be fake. Mostly places can be bent, but there are places that just full out don't work with what we know.
Yes, there needs to be a movement where the best of all theories can be debated rationally so there is no more confusion. However, I do believe we are in the end times for many, many reasons and people don't want to debate anymore, but rather choose what to believe blindly.

There is a project known as NASA Bluebeam in which the government is going to plant fake "evidence" they created to make people stop believing Christians and Muslims, why I don't know. They are also experimenting with life-like holograms that can be projected in the sky. I don't know why they are doing this, but it's strange non-the-less.
« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 03:29:27 AM by [GSF]Ghost »

i'm not even qouting any of that, ^^^^^^^^^ you are way to negative my freind. honstly why do you have to find something bad about 7 posts. say something positive about those 7 and maybe you'll get some respect back from me and others

i'm not even qouting any of that, ^^^^^^^^^ you are way to negative my freind. honstly why do you have to find something bad about 7 posts. say something positive about those 7 and maybe you'll get some respect back from me and others
Did you even read what I said? If you did you would see I was only negative to YOU. I was neutral to 5 posts, negative to yours, and positive to the last. And this is why I get upset. People like you are spreading the virus of ignorance; Digmaster is debating me logically. You blindly assume, rather than being open minded and being neutral to all theories. Challenge everything, not just Christianity.

Edit: And what makes your respect so valuable?