Author Topic: A Christian church, built 537 years before christ  (Read 4673 times)

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Haghia Sophia, also called the Church of Holy Wisdom, was built in 537 and remained a symbol of Byzantine grandeur until Istanbul was conquered by Muslim armies.

It doesn't say B.C. at all in the article... You are an idiot.


Ick NY Times... Anyways, i guess that's cool...

It doesn't say B.C. at all in the article... You are an idiot.
The fixed it, idiot.

It doesn't say B.C. at all in the article... You are an idiot.

How did I not notice this?


but short of about 50k or older years, carbon dating is pretty accurate.

This is now irrelevant.

The fixed it, idiot.

So basically what you're saying is you completely believed everything they said without trying to find other sources?

1. You didn't bother to read it you close-minded nut. You can't declare propaganda, your religion spreads it around youth like a virus.
2. It's not, it's that people will blindly defend their faith even when everything points against it.
3. Honestly, you can believe whatever you want, the question is if you're so secure about it, why are you getting upset?
4. Yes, it has. Religion interferes with human advancement all the time. We could be well on our way to curing the most horrible diseases if the religious nutwads would shut the forget up. Not only that, but they try to restrict everyone based on their own morals and religious beliefs. Nothing in the government should have anything to do with religion.

Finally, that makes no sense. I can say anything I want, even if I don't believe it. I'm done arguing, however.

1. I could hardly read it because the pic quality was stuff, but what I did read was a bunch of stuff written from a non religious source. If you want to properly discredit something, use actual material, not just classic quotes from the bible that fit your needs. We all know there are mistakes here and there due to the difficulty of translating Latin to English. Learn Latin and read that Bible and see if it has half the discrepancies of the King James version.
2. Like you are doing in your belief in atheism. Which is faith in itself. Not to God, but to the lack of presence of God. It's still a belief and can be seen as a religion in itself. Still makes you a hypocrite.
3. You assume I'm upset about it. That's your error, much like in how people will believe what they think a form of text states. Which is why they stop believing. Which is why you find fault in the Bible because you don't understand the emotionalism behind it.
4. I agree with Bacon. There is no proof that it's religious people are intentionally withholding our progress. There is proof that the lack of financial resources is what is causing our inability to advance any further because everyone wants more and more money and it's reflecting on the things that are produced in turn. Do you know why medicine is so expensive in the US? Because it takes billions of dollars just to produce it. By the time a working drug is finally put into market, the company is already billions of dollars in debt and they need to make up for it quickly before they go bankrupt. If scientific devices were cheaper, the cost of power to produce the drug or run the equipment were cheaper, that would reflect on the overall cost of the final product.  (tl:dr The economy/greed is why we can't advance faster than we are.)

Lyrical G already failed hard to my logic, do you really think you can win against it? Granted, Lyrical G was a punk and a patsy. But your lack of creditable sources isn't cutting it in this argument, which is why I agree that your withdrawl from the argument is a wise move. You won't win it.
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There is no proof that it's religious people are intentionally withholding our progress

lul@thousands of years of religious persecution and murder to prevent the study of body and medicine.

i do believe the church was responsible for the deaths of free thinkers who dare to say the world was round.

I want everyone to look up one thing on Youtube:
  • Luie Giglio how great is our god

I want everyone to look at these pictures:



After you look at these, tell me that the glue that holds us together which is microscopic in our bodies [laminin].  And the center of a HUGE black hole, both of these have crosses in them.

To say that religion has not gotten in the way of scientific advancement is preposterous.

There is no evidence of Creation. There is no evidence of God. There are millions of examples of evidence for everything you argue against.

Stem cells are no more human than sperm cells. Just because they have the ability to grow into humans does not mean they are.

Atheism is not a faith-based belief. Stop trying to denote it to that. Atheism arises from the overwhelming evidence against religion.

Reading the bible is more than enough to discredit Christianity.

Indyjones, you don't know anything about the Big Bang, and yet you say Bisjac doesn't know what he's talking about. Shut up and die. Those crosses are coincidence, and nothing more. If you look hard enough you can find any shape anywhere. Take the shroud of Turin for example. It has been dated to 1300, and yet the Vatican still holds it to be the work of God.

-coincidental looking pics-
lol that's an awful argument for any side. shame on you


lul@thousands of years of religious persecution and murder to prevent the study of body and medicine.

i do believe the church was responsible for the deaths of free thinkers who dare to say the world was round.
Ah, but you forget Bisjac, that was mainly a means to prevent the masses from gaining too much power over their lords and had very little to do with religion in itself. It was a means of control. I'm pretty sure if they knew the kinds of advances we made today and how easier life is with the things they persecuted people for, would you be so quick to snuff it, or would you think they'd embrace it for a catastrophic advantage over their enemies?

Ah, but you forget Bisjac, that was mainly a means to prevent the masses from gaining too much power over their lords and had very little to do with religion in itself. It was a means of control. I'm pretty sure if they knew the kinds of advances we made today and how easier life is with the things they persecuted people for, would you be so quick to snuff it, or would you think they'd embrace it for a catastrophic advantage over their enemies?

religion has always been a tool to control people. from its beginning to now.
you cant assume that stopped just because we live in modern times.

stem cells are being stuff on by religious nuts pretty hard right now. and there is nothing more helpful to our future then that would be.
But as soon as the struggling scientists start curing all sorts of things, our holy friends will start saying god allowed us, though stem cells, and take all the credit again to attempt to play the silly faithful.