A sudden emurgence of christian nuts...

[lolzorz mcgee]

God can't write.

'nuff said.

Second thing I smirked at. :o

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[MtnDew]

I like that one thing more than anything else on this thread.  Only thing I even smirked at. :D

Can't argue with that :D

[Captain Katz]

I like Isaac Newton's belief.

I fundamental belief that "God is simply the clockmaker, Made the clock, then sat back and let the clock operate on it's own"

Heh.

[The Russian]

Oh, please, not that adam and eve bullstuff.

I never mentioned Adam and Eve, though it was what I was reffering to.

God created the angels. God would have created jealousy (he is jealous himself, another sign of imperfection and therefore nonexistence), and he would have known that this would happen before it did.

God is imperfect, if he exists. He is the cause of everything harmful to everyone.

With his perfection jealousy is alright. The reason it was a sin to us or to any of our creations was because bad things will happen. Since there is nothing and no one greater or ruling over God he therefore cannot cause trouble with jealousy. Also he did not create jealousy, Satan did. Now you are going to say again that he knew this was gonna happen why not change it, the reason is that he created us to worship him and praise his name. Also suffer for hi, but it is all a test, and those who stand at the end get rewarded with a eternal, perfect, and non-painful life. I am now tired of arguing and will now forget about this topic, stay a loyal Christian, love God, praise his name, follow his laws, and get some sleep.

[Chrono]

He created evil to keep balance.

[Ladios]

Doo dee doo
Ima just stroll on in here and take a seat...

* ladios reads thread

Oh my, it seems there has been some things being thrown around about the Lord...

* ladios reads more

hmmm Yay for obnoxiously athiestic athiest.

Based on what you said, that atheism is lack of a beleif, you sure are hard pressed at getting us to beleive you...


Aaaanywaaays... I have seen way too many of these threads and know pretty much how the conversation has probably been going up until this point.
"lololol no god"
"no u will burn in teh hellz"
"no fu god is dum"
"Actually, good sir, I disagree, for various reasons."
"Well I disagree with your disagreement, for these reasons that counter everything you said"
"That does not seem fair that you are so nit-picky, mr.atheist"
"Ah but I have proof of nonexistance of god, with these reasons"
"Fallacy of logic, you cannot prove something to not exist"
"But yet you cant prove that it does"
"ur dum"
"lololol no god"

Wash rinse repeat.

My opinion that you all probably dont give a damn about:
(Oh and to skip at least one line of people saying "lololo ur dum" I have already supplied the first teir of argument on each of my main points)

God created everything, God watches over everything, God has influence on everything.
     ~Counter argument: How can one thing create itself and create everything, this is stupid
     ~Counter-counter argument: qutie so, but I prefer to beleive God as more of a force, as more of an entitiy, than a singular being. God's existance is just that he exists for the universe to work as an extention and plan out the way it does. Why? I dunno. Who am I to try and comprehend things...
Humans have free will. In a sense, humans have created hell due to their choice to go away from God.
God does not like this, he does not want us to go to hell, but it is what we chose to do.
     ~Counter argument: why did he give us free will then if he knows we will choose suffering
     ~Counter-counter argument: well at least we have the free will to ask that question, choice is important
God sends Jesus down to act as a sacrifice that way people dont need to do all this ritualistic stuff.
     ~Counter argument: that is dumb because the sacrifice itself is dumb/we didnt need this
     ~Counter-counter argument: judaism was founded and went through the family of israel and his fellow people. everyone in this region was extremely barbaric. perhaps the reason why they were chosen first was to server sort of as a proof that mankind, even when corrupted to the highest degree, can choose to follow a will greater than themselves. A way to show their humility to the universe and to God was to offer sacrifices. Jesus removed this need for ritrual on the condition that they accept him as the higher power and thus are accepted as choosing what is right, of choosing God.
          ~Sub argurment: Only christians go to heaven (can be argued by either side that isn't mine)
          ~Counter-sub argument: No, only people who follow the will of the Lord do. Heaven is more of a state of unification with the greater good, with the universe, a sort of in-synchronization. This is acheived by doing things for the greater good or accepting the greater good as the right path and at least choosing to try it. Choosing God. It is completely possible for someone to choose the right path, and to choose God without accepting Jesus or any organized religion, but that probably makes it harder.
               ~Last point: I am not in a specfic religion though I associate with christianity the most, religion itself is really loving stupid. But it is needed for some people to help them in there lives to maintain order, and to be provided with insight moreso to what greater plan there may be. Also prayer is good in that it gives you basically a meditative thing of which to reflect upon the world upon life, to express humility to the Lord, try to energetically right things, etc.
The Bible is incorrect about many things. I merely serves as a general guide to how one should live their lives, and a record of past events. The old testament served as a guide for how one should best attempt at following the right path on their own, though its not needed exactly now. Plus with all the translations and such, and the fact that it was written by man in the first place, it isn't going to be completely accurate.
     ~Counter argument: you probably dont hate this as much because im actually saying stuff against religion there so yeah...
     ~Counter-counter argument:but this doesnt mean i dont think the bible is a good guide to what you should do, at least reference it, it could provide some spiritual insight.

Also, soemthing else I should mention as its own statement so that I can put an argument point to it:
All the above statements are my beleifes
     ~Counter argument: thats dumb, everything is calculated, everything happened through checmical reactions and evolution
     ~Counter-counter argument: quite so, but the overall guide the Lord has given to life taking the form it has is rather influential. Also, freewill and such
          ~Counter argument to free will: free will doesnt exist, checmical reactions, calculations
          ~Counter-counter argument to free will: chaos theory, if we can make descisions on any level there has to be an underlying thread the universe contains for such ideas to form

I am not going to go into my beleifes about angels, souls, energies and other such things right now.

[lolzorz mcgee]

I never mentioned Adam and Eve, though it was what I was reffering to.

woohoo, I got that right. [/monotone]

Seriously, use common sense a bit more.  You tend to use unrelated, logical statements too much.

He created evil to keep balance.

forget yes.

wait, how'd this evolve into a religious debate? LOL, evolution. *shot*

[The Russian]

so...he even planned people thinking DIFFERENTLY than he wants them to AND sending them to hell?  So he SELECTED people to go to hell?

What the forget.

Actually he gave us choice and he knew what choices we would make.

This God does not speak to mortals.

I can't explain the somewhat possible truth without sounding crazy. Oh well I'll leave you guys to your fun.

I can't share my personal conspiracy without people going apestuff on me.

and how would you know that? God has spoken to many mortals.

God can't write.

'nuff said.

He can create a whole universe and he can't write? You don't make sense.

I like Isaac Newton's belief.

I fundamental belief that "God is simply the clockmaker, Made the clock, then sat back and let the clock operate on it's own"

I partially agree.
Okay NOW I'm going to sleep.

[lolzorz mcgee]

Actually he gave us choice and he knew what choices we would make.

I understand you're going to sleep now, but I'll say this:

Why?  I understand what, but WHY is the question.  If God really wanted something to happen, he would make it happen.

And, also, you kind of contridicted yourself.

[Wynd_Fox]

Wow, Ladios, I wish I wasn't too tired to read all that.

[Bisjac]

im very aware of (christian) god and i knew that bible well.

and there has only ever been a 1st hand account and direct quote from god ever.
and them commandments were destroyed by the 1 man that spoke to god, just before anyone else could have looked at them.
gratz religion, gratz

[lolzorz mcgee]

Wow, Ladios, I wish I wasn't too tired to read all that.

I'll summarize it:

Arguments.  They work if you utilize them correctly.

[The Russian]

I understand you're going to sleep now, but I'll say this:

Why?  I understand what, but WHY is the question.  If God really wanted something to happen, he would make it happen.

And, also, you kind of contridicted yourself.

Okay I know I was going to sleep but I have an answer to that. In the Bible, somewhere in the beginning, it says that God wanted a likeness of himself and he created you-know-who. I'm to sleepy to notice how I contradicted myself, point that out and I'll check it out tomorrow.

[Captain Katz]

Okay I know I was going to sleep but I have an answer to that. In the Bible, somewhere in the beginning, it says that God wanted a likeness of himself and he created you-know-who. I'm to sleepy to notice how I contradicted myself, point that out and I'll check it out tomorrow.

Make up your mind, are you going to sleep or not?

[Ladios]

Wow, Ladios, I wish I wasn't too tired to read all that.

Just read the black print.
The blues are arguments I posted for the sake of skipping the usual things I first come across when I present my ideas.