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there is a difference between being truly spiritually religious and the gay culturally religious. believing in god isnt enough for any religion, but people forget that.

the bulk of the world dont even practice religion, but some great grandma did so that automatically makes them heaven bound apparently.
or they went to church once back when they were 11 years old and haven't gone since they moved from home. yah that totally is a legit following.

atheism is a  belief there is no god at all, but i would still say the majority of the world were still non religious. silly traditions stick around and people mistake them for a faith.

I've never been good at intros, so I'm going to jump into things. I encourage you not to skim this, as daunting of a post it is, but to read through it.

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The 10 Commandments - God's Revelation in the Old Testament
The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

The 10 Commandments - Christ's Summation in the New Testament
About 1,400 years later, the 10 Commandments were summed up in the New Testament at Matthew 22, when Jesus was confronted by the religious "experts" of the day:

"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments" (Matthew 22:36-40).

A reflective reading of Christ's teaching reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

10 Commandments: The Origin of God's Law
The 10 Commandments are first recorded in the book of Exodus. They were given by God at Mt. Sinai following the Israelites escape from slavery in Egypt. The 10 Commandments were moral statutes given by God, through Moses, so that the Israelites could enjoy fruitful and holy lives. The Commandments were significant in that they formed the basis of Jewish life, law and faith. Inscribed on stone tablets, the 10 Commandments were initially broken by Moses in anger over the flagrant sins of the Israelites. They were then re-inscribed and kept in the Ark of the Covenant at the command of God. Four of the Commandments deal primarily with man's relationship with God and the other six deal primarily with man's relationship with one another.

10 Commandments: God's Standard of Holiness
The 10 Commandments were also known as the Law. For ancient Israel, breaking the Law was a serious offense. To deviate by any degree from the 10 Commandments was to sin and fall short of God's standard of holiness. Knowing that it was impossible for any human being to perfectly follow the Law, a sacrificial system mediated by the Levitical priesthood was established. Through this system, God permitted ancient Israel to make reparations for the sins they committed. As an example, an appropriate sacrifice would involve the slaughtering of a young lamb that is found to be without any blemish. The sacrifices continued endlessly, as did the sins. This system of blood sacrifice was not meant to be barbaric, but rather, symbolic of the gravity of sin. The annual Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur is a day of atonement that is set aside for the reparation of sins.

Although God gave the 10 Commandments to the Israelites, they do not apply to Jews alone. The 10 Commandments reflect God's standard of holiness for everyone. Since God is the universal authority of moral conduct, all of humanity is subject to His standards. According to the Bible, no one is exempt from God's Law. Some say that the 10 Commandments do not apply to them, since they did not grow up with "religion." However, the scriptures reveal that the requirements of the Law are written on our hearts (Romans 2:25), and thus, our conscience ultimately confirms our guilt. Wait a minute. Since most of us, to some degree, have tried to live good lives, contributing positive things to our families and communities, how can God fault us if we have tried our best? Based on God's standard of holiness, "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23). In addition, God is not only concerned with our actions, but also the condition of our hearts. In the New Testament, Jesus referred to the Law when He emphasized that hatred is tantamount to murder and lust is tantamount to adultery. We have all had these thoughts. Indeed, we have all sinned according to God's standard.

10 Commandments: Revealing Our Need for a Savior
After reviewing the 10 Commandments, some argue that God is unjust for imposing a standard upon humanity that He knows we can't fulfill. Doesn't it seem awfully cruel for a loving God to condemn man for the evil that is inherently part of the human condition? The response to this perplexing question lies in Jesus Christ. In fact, Jesus came to earth in order to reconcile this dilemma. Like the perfect lambs that were constantly sacrificed for the sins of Israel, Jesus was perfect and without blemish, because he was sinless. Like the lambs, He was sacrificed for the reparation of sins. Unlike the lambs, however, the sacrifice of Jesus Christ redeemed the sins of all humanity for all time. Unlike the lambs, Jesus Christ resurrected from the dead and conquered the power of sin for all humanity for all time. The Bible tells us why Christ had to become a sacrifice: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

10 Commandments: Love Without Condemnation
For many, the 10 Commandments are symbols of condemnation that point to our faults and mistakes. Some feel so guilty that they believe God will never accept them. Others simply choose to reject God because His Law is impossible to obey. Ironically, the 10 Commandments were never given by God to condemn humanity, but rather, they were given to convict humanity. The 10 Commandments act as a mirror to "reflect" the condition of our souls. When we examine our life in light of the 10 Commandments, we realize our shortcomings and our need for redemption. Jesus Christ is our redeemer. Therefore, God gave the 10 Commandments not to condemn humanity, but to show us His love for us. For, "While we were still sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:8).

If you read it, you'll see that Christians are supposed to be the most pacifistic people. The supposed "Christians" who kill homoloveuals and bomb abortion centers, those are not real Christians, but label themselves as such because Christians don't believe in either of those things. Just because Christians don't like homoloveuality, it doesn't mean that they try to kill them. Jesus said, "Love your neighbor as yourself." That's exactly what we're supposed to be doing.

there is a difference between being truly spiritually religious and the gay culturally religious. believing in god isnt enough for any religion, but people forget that.

the bulk of the world dont even practice religion, but some great grandma did so that automatically makes them heaven bound apparently.
or they went to church once back when they were 11 years old and haven't gone since they moved from home. yah that totally is a legit following.

atheism is a  belief there is no god at all, but i would still say the majority of the world were still non religious. silly traditions stick around and people mistake them for a faith.

Exactly. To go to heaven, according to the Bible, you must believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior, that he died on the cross and rose for your sins. If you truly do believe that, then you automatically try to follow the 10 commandments as best you can, showing that you believe your life was transformed through him.

I've never been good at intros, so I'm going to jump into things. I encourage you not to skim this, as daunting of a post it is, but to read through it.

If you read it, you'll see that Christians are supposed to be the most pacifistic people. The supposed "Christians" who kill homoloveuals and bomb abortion centers, those are not real Christians, but label themselves as such because Christians don't believe in either of those things. Just because Christians don't like homoloveuality, it doesn't mean that they try to kill them. Jesus said, "Love your neighbor as yourself." That's exactly what we're supposed to be doing.

Exactly. To go to heaven, according to the Bible, you must believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior, that he died on the cross and rose for your sins. If you truly do believe that, then you automatically try to follow the 10 commandments as best you can, showing that you believe your life was transformed through him.
Amen!

God is good.

But Science completely denies god at one point, and goes to evolution.

Go polotics!
(You're right, children should not do politics)

should avoid talking about politics and religion, always makes fun fights.

on a completely unrelated note to everyone here;
Your favorite football team loving sucks! and my local team can kick their asses!

atheism is a  belief there is no god at all

It's the state of having no belief. Strong atheism is the belief of no God.

oh big loving difference, so not important

God is good.
But Science completely denies god at one point, and goes to evolution.

How ignorant could you be? Evolution by natural selection, which is just as much a theory as relativity, does not deny the existence of God. Neither does the Big Bang. Abiogenesis is the study of what started life, and that is where all of this "lightning struck a mud puddle" bullstuff comes from. Unfortunately, evolution, which explains the diversification of life is grouped with this separate study and then denied outright.

oh big loving difference, so not important

That's what I thought until I met people calling atheism a religion.

It's the state of having no belief. Strong atheism is the belief of no God.

I'm supposing you're the latter?

I can't say anything is true or untrue in its entirety (except for mathematical proofs), but I can deal with probabilities. The way I see things, there is an overwhelming (and I mean really overwhelming) probability that there is no God, and therefore I would find it irrational to believe there is. I cannot deny the universe is less than a second old, but that is highly improbable.

I can't say anything is true or untrue in its entirety (except for mathematical proofs), but I can deal with probabilities. The way I see things, there is an overwhelming (and I mean really overwhelming) probability that there is no God, and therefore I would find it irrational to believe there is. I cannot deny the universe is less than a second old, but that is highly improbable.

So everything is a big maybe?

-the world is flat
-a brand new sun comes up around our world every day
-sicknesses are actually caused by god being angry at us, not being unclean or eating bad food, or being around sick people.
-fire is one of only 4 elements the entire world is made up of


all 3 major religions on earth killed countless people for disagreeing. because the "facts" in the bible/quran/torah all disagree

and even today religious nuts are still trying so hard to stop science, because learning of our own world apparently offends god. or proves him wrong. same thing

-the world is flat
-a brand new sun comes up around our world every day
-sicknesses are actually caused by god being angry at us, not being unclean or eating bad food, or being around sick people.
-fire is one of only 4 elements the entire world is made up of


all 3 major religions on earth killed countless people for disagreeing. because the "facts" in the bible/quran/torah all disagree

and even today religious nuts are still trying so hard to stop science, because learning of our own world apparently offends god. or proves him wrong. same thing

Just curious, who are you talking to?

the religion > science people