Author Topic: Are Failed Nations a greater threat to us then stable ones?  (Read 4249 times)



That's what the Guiness world records said, I think it was 2008.
Then I don't know where they're getting that from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops

G.B. Is shortstacked in almost every category.

on terrorists;

No they could never be as big a threat as a real country declared enemy.

terrorists depend on private money, that can be limited very quickly for many reasons. and they depend on menial recruitment and substandard training (because they do it privately)

even a stuffty country is only limited by its population to pour at the enemy. it almost don't even matter if you can afford a real war, some dictator can make it happen anyways.


on big armies;

Iraq had the largest Armour units on earth both times we went in on them. biggest threat in the middle east.
it was laughable. we flattened them all in just hours

cant really judge power just by numbers anymore
It only takes one nuclear device to fall into the wrong hands before we face a nightmare. The fact is that's always a concern with these former Warsaw Pact countries selling hardware to the highest bidders.

Then I don't know where they're getting that from.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops

G.B. Is shortstacked in almost every category.
Sirrus basically has the idea. Retz has no idea? I don't know, but this is how I interpret it.

Mostly the UK focuses on having a highly efficient force, much like the US. Able to engage in a lightning war using technological leaps to move men and material farther. The UK also has probably the most adapted hardware for beach assaults, most of their vehicles focus on amphibious assault tactics too. Think about it, England and the UK are all situated on an island, therefore a highly mobile set of Marines supported by the Navy is a logical conclusion. Then you have the combined arms of the RAF and the spearhead of the Army and Armoured Corps.

But there's a point when the lightning war hits a roadblock, the 250th mile is generally when people and immediate supply resources are exhausted. It is in fact technology which is this roadblock, tanks guzzle 8 gallons of fuel per mile, and that adds up to a monumental scale of logistics that needs to be incorporated with a highly mobile assault. Trucks aren't armored too, and trucks containing fuel for equipment are very volatile, so you can really slow down an advance by attacking the very lightly armored logistical supply train.

The stall in the lightning war is a very interesting problem. That's also how the British Expeditionary Force was able to leave Dunkirk in 1940.

A larger force isn't a guarantee for a successful defense or offense, Egypt grossly outnumbered Israel in the 1967 Arab Israeli war. Egypt was soundly defeated, along with Syria (both had outnumbered the Israelis). This was a combination of using tactics to a commander's advantage. More recently the Iraqi Republican Guard and Fedayeen outnumbered the American divisions, and were dealt with in a smart tactical manner (flanking and moving towards targets closer to Baghdad which hadn't prepared it's defenses fully)
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Hugums, you have a very shallow view of the world in general. You basically compiled a paragraph full of buzzwords and tried to create facts. I'm not trying to stuff on you but you really have no real hard grasp on the issue.

Example: The Vietcong were the guerrilla movement in South Vietnam that counteracted the US by gaining a foothold in the local population, something the US never could fully match. They weren't mercenaries, because they were a grass roots people's militia based off of the Vietminh that drove the Japanese out (and later the French). Also they weren't hired by anyone to help the NVA, which is pretty important if you think about it.

Also impoverished nations generally lack any hospitals or places to tend for the sick, and the living conditions for most are dismal. Overcrowding does breed diseases like tuberculosis and plague, so the poorest of the poor generally suffer the most. Topped this onto the lack of clean fresh water and lack of knowledge about how disease spread and you have your AIDs/HIV/Hepatitis/etc.

You can measure the quality of living of a country by the birth rate, if the birthrate is very low; it will show the quality of life as being very poor.

heh heh... so how bout them nicks...

I will be your History doom.

A larger force isn't a guarantee for a successful defense or offense, Egypt grossly outnumbered Israel in the 1967 Arab Israeli war. Egypt was soundly defeated, along with Syria (both had outnumbered the Israelis). This was a combination of using tactics to a commander's advantage. More recently the Iraqi Republican Guard and Fedayeen outnumbered the American divisions, and were dealt with in a smart tactical manner (flanking and moving towards targets closer to Baghdad which hadn't prepared it's defenses fully)

There's that, and the fact that their aging Soviet tanks were no match for the heavily armored and speedy M1 Abrams. The main reason why these blitzkrieg imitations work is because they are only being used on countries that have obsolete technology. German panzers were superior to most tanks they encountered, so they could easily penetrate defenses.

There's that, and the fact that their aging Soviet tanks were no match for the heavily armored and speedy M1 Abrams. The main reason why these blitzkrieg imitations work is because they are only being used on countries that have obsolete technology. German panzers were superior to most tanks they encountered, so they could easily penetrate defenses.
Soviet tanks no longer can counter with speed, US equipment and munitions now have an incredibly larger range.

As for the Blitz in 1940, the German Army was using light fast moving tanks, nothing extremely powerful. It was this armored push that created the problem of resupplying the men and machines, the bulk of the German logistics were horse powered wagon trains.

Soviet tanks no longer can counter with speed, US equipment and munitions now have an incredibly larger range.

That's what I just said..

That's what I just said..
You talked about US tanks' speed and armor, I mentioned range at which the tank's munitions can destroy a target.

Furthermore I just don't give a damn.

Tom

China wanting to collect our debt if really a bad reason for war. It would be like destroying gold.

But Russia seems to be on our bad side, they say that they are willing to launch nukes.

China wanting to collect our debt if really a bad reason for war. It would be like destroying gold.

But Russia seems to be on our bad side, they say that they are willing to launch nukes.
There's tons of reasons why the US and Russia still haven't seen each other on eye to eye terms. We support and train the military of Georgia and other smaller Baltic countries that traditionally Russia has seen as their obligation to aid (Including backing Kosovo's independence from Serbia). Also the whole creation of anti-ballistic missile emplacements in Eastern Europe really pushed Russia's buttons. Russia doesn't want to fall off the global map even as they sell off former assets of the Soviet Union (armor, supplies, munitions (legally and illegally)). They want to continue to be relevant and at the same time hold onto Russian interests.

Most of Western Europe wants to get out of Russia's oil grasp and move to alternate power sources (one problem is that 99.9% of cars today require gas from either Norway or Russia). Russia's economy is basically held up by oil, and to take their business away would really impact the country.
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