A letter from God. || It's a flash.

[Riot]

I'm going through posts as if this topic is one big tl;dr but it seems that there is a religion war going on. :o

 The good thing is, its not a flame war. Everyone is just arguing in a normal manner. Calm....

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[A.R.C.]

Everyone is wrong noone is right.

[Doorman]

i was raised a faithful christian

but unlike most Christians i actually read the entire bible, and many times.

unlike most Christians, i wanted to understand my religion more. and wanted to know more about my religion's history.

unlike most Christians, i was very aware of the hundreds of vague demands of god, that he took back many times.

believing in a god and afterlife does NOT require a person to have it all in faith.
but all religions would want you to. hmmm.....
in the end, it was clear that religion has been a tool for controlling peoples since its early history.
political tools with political and business needs.

i believe in nothing spiritual at all now.
and i can thank that for being curious about the means of the world instead of being a sheep and just going with it.

This is me in a nutshell, thanks Bisjac. :)

[Rughugger]

Unfortunately, though, rughugger, god is omnipotent and it's really his fault we killed his son since we were created in his image. I'd be mad if an ant colony killed my hypothetical fault, but if I'd created the ants then sent my son instead of using my omnipotence in a better way to tell my creation I loved it that would be my fault, wouldn't it? Of course your god is a prig so you never know how he'll react.

I don't see how a God who created people with free will can be at fault for killing his son. In a sense, you're saying that we humans as a creation are not in control of our own destinies? If that's the case, wouldn't everyone in the world be religious if God was indeed in charge of everything we do? Atheism wouldn't exist if that was the case and there wouldn't really be any of these silly debates to worry about in the first place.

Let me know if I am misreading this, because that's what I am getting from your statement there. :)

Also about the whole Gay thing, I have heard from a minister I watch on television, Joel Osteen, that God does not hate Gay people for he created them as well and loves them equally. Same for the Atheists. From what I was taught, there are things in life that will make you question and even lose your faith for one reason or another. God will not spite you for that. Instead, he will wait patiently for you, even if that means the very day you die and go to see him. If, standing before him, you still wish to renounce his existence, that is a choice you make for yourself. Such as he gave you the free will to do so. Will you get into heaven then? Probably not, but does it leave you to a fiery lake of damnation, no. Most likely wander in some form of Purgatory where you have eternity to think about anything you wish.

[Wizard]

I don't see how a God who created people with free will can be at fault for killing his son. In a sense, you're saying that we humans as a creation are not in control of our own destinies? If that's the case, wouldn't everyone in the world be religious if God was indeed in charge of everything we do? Atheism wouldn't exist if that was the case and there wouldn't really be any of these silly debates to worry about in the first place.

Let me know if I am misreading this, because that's what I am getting from your statement there. :)

Also about the whole Gay thing, I have heard from a minister I watch on television, Joel Osteen, that God does not hate Gay people for he created them as well and loves them equally. Same for the Atheists. From what I was taught, there are things in life that will make you question and even lose your faith for one reason or another. God will not spite you for that. Instead, he will wait patiently for you, even if that means the very day you die and go to see him. If, standing before him, you still wish to renounce his existence, that is a choice you make for yourself. Such as he gave you the free will to do so. Will you get into heaven then? Probably not, but does it leave you to a fiery lake of damnation, no. Most likely wander in some form of Purgatory where you have eternity to think about anything you wish.

Well that's all nice, but god happens to be omnipotent and can invent a way to get the message to us without sacrificing his own son.

And why are you talking about what you heard from a minister you watch? Why are you blindly believing this? Why would god even bother to love any one of his stuffty creations? Why would your god even be the god out of all the possible gods and the ones that haven't been invented?

[Gamefandan]

Being that humanity's stuff hole is the internet, I should of expected this to happen, taken way out of context, and turned into a debate.

[A.R.C.]

inb4lock

[DracoSoul]

Being that humanity's stuff hole is the internet, I should of expected this to happen, taken way out of context, and turned into a debate.

What the forget did you expect?

[Gamefandan]

Goodness, seven pages in three hours.

[A.R.C.]

A wizard did it.

[Riot]

A wizard did it.

 Whats his name?

[Bisjac]

i don't see how people can trust any pasters,priests.
they are only giving you the millionth new interpretation of the same damn book you can read for yourself.

they are no more correct then any other. nor should you take their word over the literal one from your bible.

any advice they can give a person is based on their personal opinion, rather then any god. for you wouldn't have needed to ask for help had you looked in your damn bible. all of the worlds questions have been answered there. the end all truth that has no more details.

a christian that needs a religious leader, is one that don't want to believe the bible.
that is what they call faithless.

[Riot]

i don't see how people can trust any pasters,priests.
they are only giving you the millionth new interpretation of the same damn book you can read for yourself.

they are no more correct then any other. nor should you take their word over the literal one from your bible.

any advice they can give a person is based on their personal opinion, rather then any god. for you wouldn't have needed to ask for help had you looked in your damn bible. all of the worlds questions have been answered there. the end all truth that has no more details.

a christian that needs a religious leader, is one that don't want to believe the bible.
that is what they call faithless.

 A church is a normal house, its not the house of God.

[Rughugger]

Well that's all nice, but god happens to be omnipotent and can invent a way to get the message to us without sacrificing his own son.

And why are you talking about what you heard from a minister you watch? Why are you blindly believing this? Why would god even bother to love any one of his stuffty creations? Why would your god even be the god out of all the possible gods and the ones that haven't been invented?

True, but how many people would choose to listen to him or simply dismiss it as a dream or simply their conscience? In that instance, a physical representation was needed as any other indirect attempt by him to talk to his creation led to disaster. Not that that ended any better, but you see what I mean.

Bisjac, I don't just blindly believe what the minister says, he just happens to say the meaning in a way that is the way I think about it as being true already. I've gone to several churches and listened to many leaders and none of them would preach in a way that I could physically feel it as being right. Yeah, he may just be a televangelist who preaches about love not war and all of that, but without reading a book that he wrote, I would still be a person angry at everyone and everything when what I should have done is taken blame for me being the cause of my problems instead of blaming everyone else. Yeah it took me a book to be able to change the way I thought, but I sure wasn't doing it on my own.

[Wizard]

True, but how many people would choose to listen to him or simply dismiss it as a dream or simply their conscience? In that instance, a physical representation was needed as any other indirect attempt by him to talk to his creation led to disaster. Not that that ended any better, but you see what I mean.

God created them like that. It's his fault.