USA politics destroying families

[Trogtor]

you know that most people who vote for Annoying Orange are literally just god-strong christian folk who will vote for any loving handicap that promises to keep christian values in America a priority and nothing else

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[Nicepoint]

Are you saying that what Annoying Orange attempted on Jan 6th is in any way comparable to what Bush did? Also, the media is doing the opposite, they're sanewashing Annoying Orange when he spews handicapped authoritarian fascistic bullstuff. Media has purposefully aimed to appear centrist in any possible case in an attempt to retain viewership at the cost of trying to find middle-ground between liberals and reality denying morons.

it's similar to how they call him a tribal fascist, or straight up compare him to Riddler, while also having adopted all of his stances on immigration. it was actually Riddler vs Riddler this time

What are their immigration policies and how do they compare to Riddler's?

[Drydess]

Are you saying that what Annoying Orange attempted on Jan 6th is in any way comparable to what Bush did? Also, the media is doing the opposite, they're sanewashing Annoying Orange when he spews handicapped authoritarian fascistic bullstuff. Media has purposefully aimed to appear centrist in any possible case in an attempt to retain viewership at the cost of trying to find middle-ground between liberals and reality denying morons.

No what bush did w/r/t the election and his presidency was a lot 'worse' than anything Annoying Orange dreamed up. He didnt allegedly try to steal an election he did steal an election (and then reformed presidential privilege laws so that no one could investigate his cia national socialist-affiliate father)

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green

Oof.
I mean,  I can somewhat sympathize, as I have been Green Party since 2008, but like Jill Stein is an absolute stuffshow and has ruined the party's already delicate power structure. She lost all my support after 2016 when she stole $7mil worth of GP campaign funds and donations in the name of helping the Recount effort, but after completing only one recount and not even finishing two others, she used $6mil of the remaining money to pay for her own personal staffing and travel expenses and pocketed the last $1mil.

She then had said that she would be stepping aside to allow the younger leadership a chance to steer the Party's platform but then took control of the party again a few months prior to the primary candidate announcements again in 2023. Since her first run 2012 she has done less each election to platform the local candidates, which back during Nader, was the primary focus of the ticket, electing down-ballot greens for city and state elections, which Nader was very pro-active about. In 2024 she only showed up to Pro-Palestine rallies to give long speeches about why the Green Party was the only option, and aside from marching, didn't actually participate in direct action and fundraisers. She is directly profiting off of the suffering of the Palestinians she claims to care about and now we are flooded with new "greens" who don't know of the days that the party actually had a substantial impact on US policy such as when Nader helped push for our modern car safety regulations that require seatbelts, airbags, etc.

So yeah even though I live in a safe state, I couldn't bring myself to vote for Stein again, since even if the party did get that 5% national threshold to receive federal funding for the 2026 election cycle, I wouldn't trust her to manage that money effectively at all.

If you get the chance, I'd suggest looking into the Working Families Party, which holds a lot of the same beliefs as the Greens but has actually been successful in recent years in electing people to City, County, and State level positions, causing real positive change for their communities. The GP has been taken over by grifters. Im probably going to shift to the WFP myself if the Greens fail to address any of these issues with some serious internal restructuring.

(This doesnt even go into her running mate this time around being anti-trans and anti-abortion. Like wut)

[Drydess]

I dont want to get into it because i can and have spent days discussing the mess of grifters and dem operators and feds and larouchites and trotskyists and otherwise cultists throughout the electoral left, palatable and otherwise: but wfp are functionally a democrat ngo that exists as a pressure valve for internal party factional issues (like uncommited was) whereas greens are a quantifiable left voter bloc offering dems electoral solutions to electoral issues. They wont accept these solutions but the fact that they exist is the important part. For instance theres an arizona dem who just lost because 1% the vote went to a palestinian who told the incumbent dem she would drop out if he simply stopped publicly supporting israel and his office responded with an info sheet calling her a savage lol. Who would benefit from left policy? Dems would. Regardless they choose not to because they are ideologues and its important to highlight that contraidction. Anyway the butch ware abortion and trans things were made up but i have other issues with him and the whole vp debacle from months prior involving noura erakat but they all handled it very amateurly, they could be running some random kid from jersey it doesnt really matter at the end of the day

[ultimamax]

feels like a massive waste of time and energy if the point of the greens is only to reveal that the dems are hypocrites or something. based on the election result i think that's already well understood by most people, including democrat voters

the greens should be focusing on local and state level races and actually building out their party.

you could argue the modern green party actually benefits the democratic party to the detriment of the american left
it gives them a rhetorical cudgel against progressives and leftists, and it wastes time and energy that could be going into building out a more effective progressive party. (not that the green party is wholly useless, it's just very inefficient)

no hate on anyone who voted green though

[Drydess]

feels like a massive waste of time and energy if the point of the greens is only to reveal that the dems are hypocrites or something. based on the election result i think that's already well understood by most people, including democrat voters

the greens should be focusing on local and state level races and actually building out their party.

you could argue the modern green party actually benefits the democratic party to the detriment of the american left
it gives them a rhetorical cudgel against progressives and leftists, and it wastes time and energy that could be going into building out a more effective progressive party. (not that the green party is wholly useless, it's just very inefficient)

no hate on anyone who voted green though

they cant really focus on local/state races because the dnc floods hundreds of thousands of dollars into random towns in iowa when there's a green contender, hence the 'muh 5% for public election financing' angle that you maybe hear a lot. I get what youre saying though especially "feels like a massive waste of time and energy if the point of the greens is only to reveal that the dems are hypocrites or something." I agree you shouldnt put very much time into them, i spent 2 or 3 years getting into the party and trying to network thru it and a lot of the cadre i encountered were weird autists who just watch glenn greenwald and jimmy dore or saw fahrenheit 9/11 and felt inspired- no one really listens to each other and standards are pretty much nonexistent. You probably get more out of just talking to random guys on the street or on twitter than using the gp as a conduit. they did however point me to a sasquatch/cryptid fair once in bumforget nowhere virginia with like 200 people which was a hilarious and honestly rousing experience

There isnt really any electoral politics org that you should put your time into imo. unless those bob avakian maoists do stuff near you idc if theyre feds or larpers it would probably be fun or funny. I just think the third party 'left voter bloc' thing is good electoral strategy for the left i dont think its very important who in particular gets the votes-- especially during the inflection point where libs are increasingly disillusioned with dems and dems are increasingly disillusioned with the progressives that obamas 08 campaign energized. lenin wrote some similar things about how to treat electoral politics and its pretty much evergreen