Author Topic: Controversy sparks over "Pride Los Santos" GTA V Gay pride mod  (Read 7464 times)

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Personally I don't mind the mod at all myself and don't really care much about it. But the news stuff is over the top in my opinion. But in here I'm seeing people post legit and valid arguments and having other people completely diss them off with "y are u mad just dont download it xddd" which is extremely dense and loving handicapped if you ask me. That's why I didn't give an opinion on the mod and jumped right in on this side matter because no one else except McJob has addressed it.

Again I know I'm stuff at brown townogies but I used it as an attempt to make the guys see how handicapped the "just dont download it xddd" mentality is.

But yeah

At this point people are just finding reasons to be mad, and that makes me mad.

I'm against all this "shoving it down your throat" bullstuff but with this kind of thing you just don't have to download it.
I mean it's not hurting you, it's not hurting me, it's not hurting LGBT or feminists or whoever the forget it's for, it's just an optional mod
for a game that is NOT REQUIRED for the base game to run, I mean come on guys.

Do I think the mod is stupid? Yes, but really, there's no need to get mad over this.

Also is it possible to edit the mod where you CAN kill them?
« Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 09:02:53 PM by Charles Barkley »

Also is it possible to edit the mod where you CAN kill them?
judging from the way the characters look and move in the trailer, it appears that all the people included in the mod are static objects doing walking/cheering animations. if i'm right, you'd need to gut the entire mod and then replace all the static objects with NPC AIs. It's be really hard and not worth the time, but I guess you could.

At this point people are just finding reasons to be mad, and that makes me mad.

I'm against all this "shoving it down your throat" bullstuff but with this kind of thing you just don't have to download it.
I mean it's not hurting you, it's not hurting me, it's not hurting LGBT or feminists or whoever the forget it's for, it's just an optional mod
for a game that is NOT REQUIRED for the base game to run, I mean come on guys.

Do I think the mod is stupid? Yes, but really, there's no need to get mad over this.

Also is it possible to edit the mod where you CAN kill them?
This.

are you kidding me this is like his 4th account
Just saying that we might see him get banned again. Not that he'll disappear completely.

i installed the mod and had some fun with it
pro tip guys, install a riot mod with helixsnake's carmageddon for ultra pride

I'm a game designer/teacher who wants to see people make awesome content and I'd like to share my opinions on a forum that allows me to do so. I don't understand why you have to have such a bad attitude in response to somebody thinking differently to you.
Let me correct that: You want to see people make content that you like. That's it. My opinion towards your opinion is negative, because your opinion according to its own logic doesn't allow different opinions to exist. If everything that you say is stuff is objectively stuff according to your allegedly objective game design philosophy, then anyone who disagrees likes stuff and is either wrong or stupid. Having this sort of an attitude does nothing but instigate drama and hatred. You can think that the pride mod goes against your design philosophy, but that's that. It's not the equivalent to downloading child research, it's not harming anyone. If you don't enjoy it, it's not for you. If you expected something different, too bad, the universe doesn't revolve around you nor does it care about your expectations.

In case you start saying "buh- I never said any of the claims are objective", then here's one example: you did exactly that when you started spewing that mods are supposed to improve the game. Mods are mods. Modifications. They're not "improvements". A modification can feel like an improvement to some and a regression to others. The mod may be anything from making all characters nude to making the AI behave like a sentient human being. Who is the authority who decides that mods are allegedly supposed to improve a game? You. An imperfect human being, not an objective law in the universe. I make the assumption that you're not a solipsist, because you reach out to "others".

agree to disagree rednaikin he recognizes most if not all of that there isnt really a point to push your opinion at this point. all you're doing is picking a fight over his strong opinions when it comes to games thats all

honestly though why push gay pride via parades in a game where the player interacts with pedestrians by murdering them or otherwise loving them over

like who came up with this stuff

turning off violence only removes the parade from the game and places it on its own pedestal "above" the mechanics

i know this has been said like 100 times but for real

im waiting for the asshurt when someone releases a counter-mod to allow violence as that is the only way i will squeeze enjoyment from this
« Last Edit: July 21, 2016, 05:40:20 AM by DestroyerOfBlocks »

Just saying that we might see him get banned again. Not that he'll disappear completely.
Didn't you say that you grew up or something like that earlier? This is incredibly immature.

I know that Skip has a grudge against me that he won't let go, but what's your excuse for not dropping this when it's clear everybody is going to keep disagreeing?

Let me correct that: You want to see people make content that you like. That's it.
I personally don't care for playing with love mods, mods that make the game more difficult, mods that add new characters or whatnot, but I believe they're absolutely great types of modifications because the increase the amount of playability, interaction and possible engagement over the base game.

I think adding more variety to the pedestrians is just fine. I don't agree with the way they did it because it feels incredibly forced.

If everything that you say is stuff is objectively stuff according to your allegedly objective game design philosophy, then anyone who disagrees likes stuff and is either wrong or stupid.
We can't control the things we enjoy, but that doesn't mean that everything we like is actually quality. I enjoyed the Cat in The Hat movie, which is very clearly objectively stuff. At the end of the day, I'm trying to focus on objective qualities, but I'm not going to think anybody is a twat because they like something I don't (I used to, back when I got ridiculously aggressive towards FNAF fans, and I acted like a cunt then).

Nobody is stupid because of their preferences. What makes a person stupid is if they refuse to understand why they like it, because that gets us nowhere to making stuff that everybody likes.

Having this sort of an attitude does nothing but instigate drama and hatred.
The only people who have "instigated drama and hatred" in this thread have been you and Skip. Everybody else is either making a post off of skimming the other comments or have been making genuinely polite debate (see: Sir Dooble + Conan).

You can think that the pride mod goes against your design philosophy, but that's that. It's not the equivalent to downloading child research, it's not harming anyone.
You're right, there's no physical harm done to anybody and as I admitted previously, I was wrong to make that brown townogy. That doesn't mean I'm not allowed to criticise what I feel could have been done better, and I feel throughout this thread I've provided valid arguments for my opinion.

The role of critique is to point out flaws so that in the future, we can do things better. Maybe my critique/opinion is wrong, but I still have the right to be open and honest. Shying away and not voicing your opinion is the easiest way to, from my point of view, let people keep producing crap.

If you don't enjoy it, it's not for you. If you expected something different, too bad, the universe doesn't revolve around you nor does it care about your expectations.
I'm allowed to post and voice my opinion on the forum. Nobody put up a sign and said "You can't talk about this here." Forums are about encouraging discussion.

I speak a lot from my own perspective and I use a lot of hyperbole. I take things more seriously than I should. I apologise, but that's just what happens when I first encounter something. I don't think that makes the core of my arguments invalid, and I don't think anybody here has convinced me that my arguments are invalid either.

In case you start saying "buh- I never said any of the claims are objective"
Why would I say that? I even directly pointed out what I felt were objective facts in one of my arguments to either Conan or Sir Dooble (can't remember which), because based on what I know and understand about games and mods, I feel there are some objective, factual problems with this mod and how players can interact with it.

Mods are mods. Modifications. They're not "improvements".
This is an extremely immature way of thinking. I guess you also think that "games are timewasters" and that "books are just stories"?

Maybe you don't, and I'm sorry for saying otherwise if that's the case, but what I'm on about is this; if you only ever think of a medium as "childish" or "unimportant" or "as-is", that's all it will ever be. In a sense, it's almost encouraging people to just keep producing crap because nobody will stop them.

You may not see mods as anything more than little tweaks to games, but personally I see huge intrinsic value; there's a lot of time, people and effort involved. That makes mods important, and so therefore I think we should start treating them seriously and hold modders to standards. Just recently, Bethesda attempted to start up a financial market for mods (the efforts fell flat ultimately for a number of reasons); that shows that the practice of modding is taking on the same pathways as video games.

I don't think people spending time sitting down and messing with mod tools means that they should instantly be given respect. Any one of us are capable of making mods; the difference is how we decide to spend our time and in what places. I think respect needs to be given to the modders who actually make substantial impacts on the core game that benefit the player. I want modders to see that success comes as much from the design/goal as the mod itself.

A modification can feel like an improvement to some and a regression to others.
I think that the idea of removing interactions that are core to the game is a pretty objective regression. I don't think anybody who actually wants to play the game is celebrating the fact they can't interact with these pedestrians.

Who is the authority who decides that mods are allegedly supposed to improve a game?
There doesn't need to be an authority, in the same way that "good" games aren't the judgement of just one person. There wasn't some king who demanded that everybody liked Portal 2; it had objectively good qualities that everybody recognised and praised it for.

This is the same in the modding world; the best mods that you see on the Nexus (or other mod site) have to do with increasing the playability of the game (and yes, texture mods achieve that too by making the game more clear and immersive). The large consensus of people know what they like; it's just that nobody has put on paper "this is why so many people like these kinds of mods".

I make the assumption that you're not a solipsist, because you reach out to "others".
Without other people, I wouldn't be making these arguments. I'd be off crying about how "CoD is gay" or some stupid stuff. People opened my mind to the idea that things are much deeper than they might appear, and that even content authors might not appreciate how important their stuff is.

To most people, games and mods are just entertainment to knock away a few hours, and that's fine. Unfortunately, as far as I'm concerned as a creator, that kind of mindset is what could be holding back a lot of their true potential, in a sense. For the longest time, people thought that films and music couldn't have any effect on people and so they were treated as vapid timewasters, yet nowadays we have classic films responsible for inspiring people to go on and do great things. I think mods, while maybe not on that scale, as still capable of doing some cool stuff is we treat them a bit more seriously than we are now.

But I'm just a grumpy man arguing on a LEGO forum away from anybody who could actually use my opinion, so who gives a stuff?


Why can't we just wait for somebody to copy this mod and allow us to run over/shoot all the degenerates gays

It's bound to happen if everybody is so butthurt about it

AFAIK maturity is nothing else but being capable of controlling your emotions, ignoring things you don't like and understanding that you're not superior to anyone else. I don't believe I exhibit any of these qualities in my post.

As for your argument Mcjob, I could still argue lots of points in my favor, but I'm going to take Conan's advice and stop wasting my time. Maybe later. It would be really interesting to discuss this in like a voice chat or something.