Author Topic: Controversy sparks over "Pride Los Santos" GTA V Gay pride mod  (Read 7500 times)

can someone remod this so you can kill the npcs
someones gotta be workin on it right now

Here let me just sum up why I'm not even going to bother reading McJob's little crybaby rant
I think this just demonstrates why you're far more immature than I am. I dunno how anybody could respect you with an attitude like that. Please grow up.

mcjob you're sounding dangerously like that fez developer crying about the state of video game industry or something
So I'm not allow to point out things that I don't like? I have to remain completely positive and only talk about good things? Why don't we apply that rule to Yahtzee or Jim Sterling or Total Biscuit or any of the other valued critics?

I made a critique and then I explained why I think that way. I didn't say "the game industry is stuff because of" or anything like that. I didn't even cry, but you people seem to think otherwise.

like i don't understand what you consider "morally right" in video games - its like saying art is moral/amoral.
Players only have a limited amount of time in their day/lives. We have to make sure we're not wasting that time and that we're giving them something that benefits, not harms.

barring extreme cases, its pretty subjective to the viewer
I think "taking away interactions" is a pretty objective statement, since it does explictly state you can't interact with the pedestrians like normal pedestrians.

a mod where you cant kill npcs that the mod creates isn't some sort of cp like you're comparing it to be - what's morally wrong about creating an unkillable NPC?
See, the problem is that you think I care about the content (which I couldn't care less for in comparison, to be frank), whereas I care more about the implementation and what the player gets out of this gameplay-wise.

would you be as mad if the NPCs were not gay pride people but instead random citizens on the street?
I'd be angrier if this was a mod that disabled interactions with all random pedestrians, as you'd be removing a very large part of the GTA gameplay mechanic set.

the statement the mod is trying to make is pretty clear and you don't have to agree with it
But it does it in such a ridiculous, painful fashion. They could have made a mission which fails the player if they kill pedestrians during the parade, since then they're using consistent rules that other GTA missions have used.

but you also don't have to go on a crusade to shoot it down on moral grounds.
I'm complaining about it (only on this forum, btw) because I disagree with how they implemented it and I think that the message could have been a lot better if they had done it differently.

Surely you've seen a movie which had a cool tagline, but you saw it and thought "this was stuff compared to what I had in my head." I think people have the right to complain if they think something can be done better that doesn't waste other's time.

its pointless for the same reason why political debates over the internet are pointless: the things being argued, while based in fact, appear differently to each person involved.
And there you go; you're the one who put their opinion down first in this thread, except I'm the one who is apparently in the wrong because my opinion is different to yours.

I've tried to justify my stance with my knowledge and I haven't gone around swearing or shouting. I've agreed to disagree with sir dooble because he's actually been respectful about the way he debates.

From what I've seen, He seems to be stuck with the "muh objective game design philosophy" attitude.
I'm a game designer/teacher who wants to see people make awesome content and I'd like to share my opinions on a forum that allows me to do so. I don't understand why you have to have such a bad attitude in response to somebody thinking differently to you.

Here let me just sum up why I'm not even going to bother reading McJob's little crybaby rant:

Thanks.....?

OT: This mod is pretty pointless as far as I can see.....
« Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 07:15:40 PM by cooolguy32 »

something about your argument is off putting me as you trying to get the higher moral ground, but i can't pin it down on anything, so it might just be me. its more your response seems out of proportion than anything - there's nothing wrong with the fact you're criticizing the mod, its just how easily you can compare it to cp and not feel like there's a huge discrepancy there. i love watching zero punctuation and how he can get down to the nitty gritty about a game's problems, but he wouldn't outright or implicitly compare a game or a mod to something as extreme as cp.

and as for wasting time: unless the mod didn't explain its mechanics in its description/is using false advertising its not wasting anyone's time. if i see a game or a mod (or using your brown townogy, a movie) and i read its description and i dont like the idea, i move on; no time is wasted. i dont understand what this mod could be doing wrong that other games or mods for, say, blockland do wrong. i get you are allowed to complain about it and that's not an issue, its just how disproportionate your response is that's odd. its like how SJW's can get so damn worked up about tribal jokes or even the slightest "cultural appropriation" or something.

mods exist for people who want them to use them. its not your position to say that a mod is fundamentally wrong - everyone's entitled to their own gameplay style and if they want to waste their own time (in your opinion) that's their problem and not yours. there's nothing wrong with releasing stuffty mods; its part of a modder's path towards becoming a better modder, and maybe someone would want their subpar mod. its happened a lot on the BLF, whose community is a lot smaller than games like GTA, i'd presume.

skips response is probably cause you're blowing this way out of proportion - if it weren't for people like you who respond so strongly to a single mod's concept, there wouldn't be any controversy. i guess its the same kind of response that drove Hatred's publicity campaign, the kind of response that although justified, isn't really necessary and doesn't change anything in the end.

anyways, i guess i'll leave it at that. id just be careful about being so strongly opinionated on trivial things - if GTA was your game, or this was a mod that someone you knew created, i'd understand and empathize with your position better.

to all the "why would you pick gta for this"
uh cuz its an openworld game easily mod-able

the lore and story of the game is irrelevant to this mod, like some mods happen to be.
the same could be said if it was in skyrim or fallout as well

also hey, just dont download it.
idk why this is so hard to graps. i dont like nudie mods in skyrim and didnt download that lol, why would i instead complain about something thats not even target to me, then?

serious pride mod
serious? are u sure...
« Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 07:32:55 PM by Donnies Catch »

in a game that makes fun of everyone, a serious pride mod like this doesn't seem to fit very well

also >that trailer

why pick trevor lmao......

its just how easily you can compare it to cp and not feel like there's a huge discrepancy there
You're right, I was wrong to use that as a comparison. At the time of writing it just felt like the easiest way to express my argument.

unless the mod didn't explain its mechanics in its description/is using false advertising its not wasting anyone's time.
We'll have to agree to disagree here (and on the points you made in a later paragraph); I believe that game/mod devs should be held to higher standards, but I can see why it would seem like a ridiculous and pretentious argument to have.

its just how disproportionate your response is that's odd. its like how SJW's can get so damn worked up about tribal jokes or even the slightest "cultural appropriation" or something.
You're right, although "angry Aussie guy" has been my shtick for a while and it's a hard habit to get out of.

skips response is probably cause you're blowing this way out of proportion
Actually, Skip has had it out for me for a long time, and while it's not like he's following me or anything, if he encounters one of my posts he then goes out of his way to make me out as an starfish in the hopes I'll post something and get banned. He has a bad attitude and holds a grudge.

convince me that this is such a bad thing that it warrants having actual news articles over without comparing a completely innocent, innocuous, optional, inconsequential game mod to a virus or child research

Sure, it might be a crappy mod. That doesn't mean anyone should give a stuff. Rate it 1 star and move the forget on, jeez.

that it warrants having actual news articles over
I mean lets be honest, news sites have only picked up on it because it concerns LGBT+.
It's such a mundane and boring mod that it's not even really worth discussing (the article in the OP doesn't even make a big deal about the indestructible nature).

It's sadly just been picked up in the hopes it draws some controversy over gays/pride/gay rights, which is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
The irony is perhaps the fact that all the heated debate here has mostly been about whether it's right to disable gameplay features.

This is as equally poor a comparison as the child research one.
"This brown townogy is wrong in my opinion so YOU'RE wrong"

dude forget off with that ideology

"This brown townogy is wrong in my opinion so YOU'RE wrong"

dude forget off with that ideology
your brown townogies are stupid though

"This brown townogy is wrong in my opinion so YOU'RE wrong"

dude forget off with that ideology
If you honestly think someone sharing a mod you dislike is as bad as someone spreading a virus, or even comparable, then I can't help you.

If you honestly think someone sharing a mod you dislike is as bad as someone spreading a virus, or even comparable, then I can't help you.
Sure I'm kinda stuff at coming up at brown townogies but completely dissing a point just because you don't agree with the brown townogy is just a dense thing to do.

Just because you don't HAVE to download a mod, doesn't grant the creator full loving immunity to critCIAm or anything. He made the mod, he should expect critCIAm. Just dissing everyone's arguments with "hurr u dun hav 2 download et" is just a stuffty thing to do.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2016, 08:15:24 PM by Insert Name Here² »

Thing is, there's a difference between criticism and outrage. Getting angry at the existence of something you don't like isn't criticism, it's just getting emotional over something that needn't affect you. Saying "just don't download it" is a fair response to that.

I'm not having a go at people not liking the mod, or that one aspect of it. But I don't see how there's need for much more than saying "they should have kept the destruction on for more freedom". Beyond that it seems like an extreme emotional response to a minor design choice, and a design choice you probably wouldn't have known about if the news articles weren't trying for a quick sell of low-level controversy. This whole thing is a non-issue on an unremarkable mod.


And ultimately, INH, your post wasn't even weighing in on the issue or giving an opinion on the matter.
It was just a poor brown townogy to retort one phrase. I wasn't trying to disregard your entire opinion by tearing apart your post, and I'm sorry it seemed that way.

to all the "why would you pick gta for this"
uh cuz its an openworld game easily mod-able
but theres a ton of other possible games this could be applied to and it wouldnt be stupid to include, hell it might add to the immersion of a different game if executed correctly, but gta is not the game for something like this at all, gta is a loving game about crime and crime itself, you kill pedestrians, you steal cars, you steal money, you break the law, you dont visit a loving pride parade

the lore and story of the game is irrelevant to this mod, like some mods happen to be.
the same could be said if it was in skyrim or fallout as well
if a mod like this was included in skyrim or fallout it would get the same amount of backlash if not more because, it. doesnt. fit. If im playing fallout or skyrim i dont wanna be watching a gay pride parade in diamond city, i wanna be killing god damn ghouls and exploring the map

also hey, just dont download it.
idk why this is so hard to graps. i dont like nudie mods in skyrim and didnt download that lol, why would i instead complain about something thats not even target to me, then?
just because its an optional download doesnt mean its not subject to criticism, mcjob basically has already said it pretty well
So I'm not allow to point out things that I don't like? I have to remain completely positive and only talk about good things? Why don't we apply that rule to Yahtzee or Jim Sterling or Total Biscuit or any of the other valued critics?


serious pride mod
serious? are u sure...

if this isnt proof that this is a serious mod then im not sure what is