Methinks i cracked the code of Christianity

[Mateo]

Oh that.
If time is infinite, then distance between particles tends to the infinite, according to the expansion concept.

So, take a time considerably before that limit where the particles were still huge distances apart, but it had not reached infinity yet, and there simply wouldn't be anything close enough to react.
There would be a time where the particles would have to double back to get back to the spot where Earth was and try and make it. That is impossible unless they hit other particles, which is impossible as they all would have vectors of (even slightly) different direction.
You can cap the time, yet the Earth would not have to be made in the finite time you set to try and complete the infinite number of events until you reached one that resulted in the creation of the Earth.

This all assumes that you roll huge amounts of poor scores on dice with billions of sides and don't create the Earth when it was made.

Oh I see. You take the concept of "For the earth to be made in THIS EXACT SPOT, theres a low probability"

From your aspect of thinking, yes it is very improbable. But I was thinking more along the lines of the universe had many chances to create a planet able to sustain life, which would eventually have intelligent life. Though the chances of earth being where it is right now are relatively low, the exact position of earth and many other seemingly irrelevant factors should also be taken into account with that sort of logic. Like, the amount of sand on every beach on earth, and the amount of trees in every forest.

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[Duckmeister]

Oh I see. You take the concept of "For the earth to be made in THIS EXACT SPOT, theres a low probability"

From your aspect of thinking, yes it is very improbable. But I was thinking more along the lines of the universe had many chances to create a planet able to sustain life, which would eventually have intelligent life. Though the chances of earth being where it is right now are relatively low, the exact position of earth and many other seemingly irrelevant factors should also be taken into account with that sort of logic. Like, the amount of sand on every beach on earth, and the amount of trees in every forest.

If earth wasn't in this exact spot, if it was even a relatively small distance from where it was now, it wouldn't be able to sustain life.  There are so many factors involved in creating a life-sustaining planet such as ours that it is a statistical impossibility to happen like you describe.

[Vulgus]

um... what?

[SupremeCommander]

Oh I see. You take the concept of "For the earth to be made in THIS EXACT SPOT, theres a low probability"

From your aspect of thinking, yes it is very improbable. But I was thinking more along the lines of the universe had many chances to create a planet able to sustain life, which would eventually have intelligent life. Though the chances of earth being where it is right now are relatively low, the exact position of earth and many other seemingly irrelevant factors should also be taken into account with that sort of logic. Like, the amount of sand on every beach on earth, and the amount of trees in every forest.

If earth wasn't in this exact spot, if it was even a relatively small distance from where it was now, it wouldn't be able to sustain life.  There are so many factors involved in creating a life-sustaining planet such as ours that it is a statistical impossibility to happen like you describe.

Exactly.
The sand, and where it is, and what rock it crumbled from all ties into that probability business.

The universe would have, and probably did create other instances comparable to Earth.
Jupiter's moons are looking particularly interesting, as is Mars in that respect, owing to the water they may/may not have. Time and events simply show them as they are. Mars may have had water, as scientists continue to say.

[Mateo]

If earth wasn't in this exact spot, if it was even a relatively small distance from where it was now, it wouldn't be able to sustain life.  There are so many factors involved in creating a life-sustaining planet such as ours that it is a statistical impossibility to happen like you describe.

I know that. He's including the fact that the earth is in this exact part of our galaxy in his calculation of how difficult it would be for this to happen. Which means that when all particles pass where the earth should be on their way back, there are no other chances. I was saying that the earth didn't necessarily have to be made in this exact part of the universe. As long as a planet contained all factors necessary for survival, that planet could have been earth.

[SupremeCommander]

I know that. He's including the fact that the earth is in this exact part of our galaxy in his calculation of how difficult it would be for this to happen. Which means that when all particles pass where the earth should be on their way back, there are no other chances. I was saying that the earth didn't necessarily have to be made in this exact part of the universe. As long as a planet contained all factors necessary for survival, that planet could have been earth.

Well, its a possibility, but then you just change the numbers, based on debris patterns, etc. I don't have those figures, and they'd be huge, anyway. :P

[Duckmeister]

I know that. He's including the fact that the earth is in this exact part of our galaxy in his calculation of how difficult it would be for this to happen. Which means that when all particles pass where the earth should be on their way back, there are no other chances. I was saying that the earth didn't necessarily have to be made in this exact part of the universe. As long as a planet contained all factors necessary for survival, that planet could have been earth.

Since all position is relative to other points in space, this is irrelevant.

[Vulgus]

why are we suddenly talking about the universe

[Nymethus]

why are we suddenly talking about the universe

it's god's evil home base

[Inv3rted]

And where are you getting this concept of "love", anyways?  Oh right, you stole it from Christianity.

What stunning arrogance to claim Christianity invented love.

[Mateo]

Since all position is relative to other points in space, this is irrelevant.

It is not irrelevant. Earth did not need to be created where it was. It just turns out that it was created where it was. The coarse location of earth really doesn't matter.

[SupremeCommander]

Since all position is relative to other points in space, this is irrelevant.

Well, that's if the explosion was uniform.
We must consider:
a) How the matter that the Big Bang released collected and how this influenced its:
b) Eventual release with the advent of the Bang itself.

While the Bang itself superheated everything and melted protons, etc, there would still be a rough form to the ball, it would not have been an ideal sphere owing to the accretion patterns.

why are we suddenly talking about the universe

We are talking about the critical moment of creation that we know of.

[Inv3rted]

If earth wasn't in this exact spot, if it was even a relatively small distance from where it was now, it wouldn't be able to sustain life.  There are so many factors involved in creating a life-sustaining planet such as ours that it is a statistical impossibility to happen like you describe.

It wouldn't be able to sustain life as we know it. Who are you to say a different kind of life wouldn't arise?

Read up on the anthropic principle.

[SupremeCommander]

It wouldn't be able to sustain life as we know it. Who are you to say a different kind of life wouldn't arise?

Read up on the anthropic principle.

Why do you keep interjecting when he has said that he has finished with you?
:(

[Nymethus]

We are talking about the critical moment of creation that we know of.

Wait, what?