Religious Stupidity

[dkamm65]

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And I can tell a lot of you are going to respond with: well what about this religion, we cannot believe in them all. Well, most religions that involve a higher power, were spawned from Christianity. So, you technically are believing in their god as well.

This is absolutely false. One hundred percent fabrication. Religions predating Christianity include:

Paganism, Celtic religions, Ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian polytheistic religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism. Shinto, Taoism, and Confucianism.

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[dkamm65]

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And I can tell a lot of you are going to respond with: well what about this religion, we cannot believe in them all. Well, most religions that involve a higher power, were spawned from Christianity. So, you technically are believing in their god as well.

This is absolutely false. One hundred percent fabrication. Religions predating Christianity include, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO:

Paganism, Celtic religions, Ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian polytheistic religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism. Shinto, Taoism, and Confucianism.

[*Magick* Mage]

Convert to Christianity, Get a free PS3!

MiDio! That ca be our new outlook. Just think of the the vast demographic we will appeal to! 

As for the Bible snippet, that is quite true, you don't need the Bible to hold morals, though I think he was merely stating the Bible does instill values of both war and peace, it is how you interpret it's teachings and how you put them to use that matters. However, certainly you can learn the same from other sources as well.   

And Pascal's Wager is certainly an interesting concept, though, like all concepts, holds it's fair amount of flaws. One should not believe something merely because they are feared into such. Another reason I don't believe in hell. Too much time we spend running way from darkness as opposed to admiring the light. 

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This is absolutely false. One hundred percent fabrication. Religions predating Christianity include:

Paganism, Celtic religions, Ancient Roman, Greek, Egyptian polytheistic religions, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism. Shinto, Taoism, and Confucianism.

Quite, as I said before. And very well-put argument, it's nice to see people having skills and maturity in conversations such as these. :D

[GunnaBoyEB]

My apologies on that life theory. That is incorrect, I did not think that one through.

I mean, you have no simply tried to shun away my ideals. You take them into consideration and then ask questions to further your understanding. Even if you do not agree with any of them. I thank you for this

You have to understand the transition between New and Old Testament. When Jesus died on the cross, that is when the New Testament was coming to play. Which is where the beliefs of Christianity came in as the truth and the Jewish beliefs were not exactly there. Even though they are the chosen people.


Also, I said nothing of the defying of the laws of physics my friend, I said things have come into play that have defied laws of science. Such as people coming back to life and walking again. But that is from the Bible, which is obviously in NO WAY correct what so ever so that doesn't count.

Mage is right, I was stating the good that the Bible teaches. Not that it is the only place to get that information. The places where this second hand information came from most likely was inspired by the Bible. Not necessarily directly either.

I'm not trying to convert anyone my friend. I am stating what Hell and Heaven are. If you do not believe in them, ok. If you do, now you know what they are like.

As for the Pascal Wagner, I was simply stating logic that I had formed through critical thinking. I was unaware that it was anything with an official name. I will look into that when I get a chance to.

Islam DOES NOT PREDATE JUDAISM. Which is what Christianity is based off of like I stated before.


Dkamm65, your arguments are interesting, especially the PW argument. But you completely are missing the point of my argument it seems. Read it until you understand what I am saying.

[dkamm65]

There is no point to miss. Your entire post was just a cookie cutter attempt for a Christian to try to convert people.

Yes, the Bible does not speak literally a lot of the time. Which is a problem for a lot of people. People take everything in the Bible as literal meaning.
Trying to tone down the ridiculous fairy tales in the bible that people are expected to believe by saying not ALL of it is literal.

Also, there is a problem. There has yet to be a scientific disproving or proving of a higher power. You cannot prove a negative. It is impossible.
Attempting to establish the idea that since there is no way to disprove a god, so you must assume his existence.

Science, math, etc... have all been wrong before. There are prophecies in the Bible that have come true, and they defy many of the scientific and mathematical laws. There are principles in the Bible that are very useful. Being kind to ones neighbor, respect your father and mother, do not commit adultery, do not murder etc.. are all principles, if everyone followed them, would make the world a better place.
Pointing out the morals preached in the bible and subtly suggesting(intentional or otherwise) that you need to follow the bible to understand and practice those morals.

Also it seems most of you here are people of logic. So take this logic into mind. You have the atheistic beliefs (belief that there is nothing after to sum it up) and then the Christian beliefs (the belief that if you accept Jesus as your savior, you go to Heaven) in this argument. Now, if you believe in Atheism, and you are wrong, you go to Hell(which by the way, you never get used to the flames, the pain is a burning of the spirit not of your physical body, so it is every lasting). If you are Atheist and you are right, you go no where. If you are Christian and  you are wrong, you go no where. If you are a Christian and you are right, you go to Heaven(which is a wonderful place where you are your spirit and nothing that can harm you exists).
Attempting to state that there are no pros to being an Atheist whether god exists or not, so you might as well be Christian since there are no cons, whether god exists or not. But to use this as an argument, you must have the preconceived notion that Atheists will be persuaded by this, which of course isn't the case. Atheists do not fear god or hell because they have no belief in their existence.

I'll use this example.
If I were to hold up my hand in a gun shape and point it at you and demand "Believe I have a gun in my hand, or I will shoot you!", you obviously won't believe I have a gun in my hand because you see no evidence of a gun, so you won't listen. But then I present to Pascal's Wager, only tweaked to fit our situation.

If you don't believe I have a gun when I really don't, you will walk away unscathed. But if I do have a gun you will be shot.

If you do believe I have a gun when I really don't, you will walk away unscathed as well. And if I do have a gun, you won't be shot because you believed me.

You would obviously not believe me and walk away. It's common sense to want evidence for something before you believe it. No threat of harm when you see no evidence of something that can cause harm. This flaw is one of many with Pascal's Wager.


And I can tell a lot of you are going to respond with: well what about this religion, we cannot believe in them all. Well, most religions that involve a higher power, were spawned from Christianity. So, you technically are believing in their god as well.
Falsely claiming that most gods were spawned from the Christian god. If you believe in any other religions, you believe in the Christian god as well, so you might as well just call yourself a Christian. If you weren't trying to convert others, you wouldn't have made this statement.

And the rest was all direct replies to others.

If those weren't the points you were trying to make with that post, please explain what the points were.

[Riot]

 All religion on Earth is false, even the supposed Qur'an who was thought to be written by God was merely written by an imbecile.

 http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100113194436AAhBdyk 

 Everyone join Buddhism :D!!

[Lalam24]

Am I exempt from the argument?

[*Magick* Mage]

Am I exempt from the argument?

Of course not. <3

They may just be ignoring you. :o

[TheChaosCarrier]

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[Troop]

I remember this guy... He came to a City RPG I was at..... He was annoying.

[Qwepir]

Also, there is a problem. There has yet to be a scientific disproving or proving of a higher power. You cannot prove a negative. It is impossible.

If you cannot prove it, it does not exist.

Science, math, etc... have all been wrong before.

The bible has been wrong before too, at least Science corrects itself.

There are prophecies in the Bible that have come true, and they defy many of the scientific and mathematical laws.

You seem like a bible-thumper. Name five.

There are principles in the Bible that are very useful. Being kind to ones neighbor, respect your father and mother, do not commit adultery, do not murder etc.. are all principles, if everyone followed them, would make the world a better place.

If everybody simply followed every law, the world would be a loving utopia. Just because the bible says "Don't kill people" or "Don't forget your friend's wife" doesn't make it any different than the laws of your city.

[HPRC]

Religion, as some people believe in it today, is, when these times are considered ancient, if we make it that long, will be believed as ancient mythology is taken at face value today. It is a story, created for the sole reason of helping people struggling to cope with reality, and as a supplemental form of control.

And for people saying science cannot disprove religion, please go read up on quantam theory, and tell me anything in this world was planned even remotely accurately by a "god".

[*Magick* Mage]

And for people saying science cannot disprove religion, please go read up on quantam theory, and tell me anything in this world was planned even remotely accurately by a "god".

Please consult your local Church of Scientology. 

[Kapturrith]

and all caps names are stupid

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