Author Topic: Religious Stupidity  (Read 34940 times)

Mmmm....I'll try to find it.


......Ah ha! Here we go:
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Quote from: The Russian (PM)
Athiests say the earlier Christians said that everything that happened because of God because they didn't know how things worked. Like rain. But listen to this. God might not give rain directly but he can control the factors of what causes rain.

Example:
5 x 4 = 20

5 and 4 are factors. 20 is the outcome, or rain in this case. 5 and 4 control what the outcome is.

The earlier Christians ma have believed that God only gives and outcome, but he controls the factors. He manipulates them. Only in this case the equations is very long and complex. When he created the Earth he knew what was going to happen and had it all planned out. When it was going to rain, and he knew that at a specific time someone will ask for rain and before that happened he already planned to either give it immediately, make them wait, or not to give it to them at all.

The problem with that is we know what causes the factors that produce rain. Rain is a cycle, there are scientific explanations for all of the steps in that cycle.

The problem with that is we know what causes the factors that produce rain. Rain is a cycle, there are scientific explanations for all of the steps in that cycle.
I think what Russian is trying to say is that God controls those factors, the whole cycle, in order to do x at y during z. In other words, God would control the whole process, without directly causing the outcome. Kind of like a scientist in that matter, I suppose.

The problem with that is we know what causes the factors that produce rain. Rain is a cycle, there are scientific explanations for all of the steps in that cycle.
We do, and especially for rain we can keep tracing it back and back farther and farther. Pretty much it's a big tree of factors and outcomes. We can trace it back to the beginning of the Earth (not really but if we were able to we would trace it to the beginning) because the cloud formations or those factors had an effect on future weather forever and more factors keep coming along and guiding it.



The way the weather was in the beginning (where the clouds were, how big, etc) controlled where it went in the future, even one molecule being being somewhere else would cause a difference in the future. God planned out where and how exactly it should start so everything would go as needed. But you don't believe in God so it means nothing to you.

I think what Russian is trying to say is that God controls those factors, the whole cycle, in order to do x at y during z. In other words, God would control the whole process, without directly causing the outcome. Kind of like a scientist in that matter, I suppose.
I spent like 10 minutes trying to word my post, and you do it in like 2 sentences.

I spent like 10 minutes trying to word my post, and you do it in like 2 sentences.
His a magician Mage...

As Oasis implied in his post, the only thing that is keeping religion here on Earth is the lack of knowledge where we came from. Right now, it would seem that common belief is that this so called "God" made Earth with a plan in mind, but I'm sure one day we're going to figure out that the matter for Earth came from some sector in space. Then, religion is going to change somewhat and say, "Oh, our god sent it from there." It is just going to be an endless cycle until we figure out how to create matter.


His a magician Mage...
What about his Mage?

Wow, only 6 pages? I would've expected more by now...

So now that this guy is going around acting like a stupid, I guess that automatically makes all Christians stupid.  :cookieMonster:


Woo sterotypes :c

Hmmmm Lalam thinks mathematics and science are 2 different concepts. He's most likely a high-schooler with no experience with advanced science.

Yet he thinks he can call someone else stupid for their beliefs.

We do, and especially for rain we can keep tracing it back and back farther and farther. Pretty much it's a big tree of factors and outcomes. We can trace it back to the beginning of the Earth (not really but if we were able to we would trace it to the beginning) because the cloud formations or those factors had an effect on future weather forever and more factors keep coming along and guiding it.



The way the weather was in the beginning (where the clouds were, how big, etc) controlled where it went in the future, even one molecule being being somewhere else would cause a difference in the future. God planned out where and how exactly it should start so everything would go as needed. But you don't believe in God so it means nothing to you.
Very nicely explained, once again. :D Quite a nice theory.

As Oasis implied in his post, the only thing that is keeping religion here on Earth is the lack of knowledge where we came from. Right now, it would seem that common belief is that this so called "God" made Earth with a plan in mind, but I'm sure one day we're going to figure out that the matter for Earth came from some sector in space. Then, religion is going to change somewhat and say, "Oh, our god sent it from there." It is just going to be an endless cycle until we figure out how to create matter.
Religion changes all the time, and I think that is why people are starting to stop believing in God (Well, one reason, of course). Many Atheists (Not all.) I've met often attempt to disprove Christianity. It seems to me that some people assume if you disprove religion, you disprove God. They are two completely different bodies, however. Religion is merely an organized system of beliefs  that hold similar fundamental beliefs and ideas, normally one that believes in some form of higher life or a supernatural being. If you disprove the Bible, Torah, Qur'an, or any other religious book, scroll, story, etc. You are not disproving God's existence, rather you are merely disproving the specific depiction of God's physical effects on this world, many of which may have been written symbolically.

tl;dr - Religion changes, yes, but that does not disprove God. As said, one can neither disprove nor prove God's existence, so it is better to follow which ever one you may so believe, and be glad for your existence here, whether or not it is by a higher being. And at the very least, tolerate those around you, if you agree with them or not, and appreciate their existence here.

(And this wasn't completely directed at you, Door, I just needed someone to quote. :3 Mage knows you tolerate and appreciate many people. <3)

Hmmmm Lalam thinks mathematics and science are 2 different concepts. He's most likely a high-schooler with no experience with advanced science.

Yet he thinks he can call someone else stupid for their beliefs.
They're both two completely different things, bro.

Also, I'm calling someone stupid for, once again, considering a>b>a.

Double post, but--

Russian, thinking the starting concepts of which control a certain event is created by god is just nitpicking through a vast amount of possibilities.

It's like saying that, hell, one of us may be controlling these numbers.

However, the most reasonable way to look at it is by saying they're not controlled, but they're completely random.

Quit pulling random ass assumptions out of your ass, especially when trying to argue.  It doesn't work that way.

I really just had to. Quite sorry. No trollfaec intended. :3


I hate when churches have pictures of Jesus for one they don't know what he looked like and 2 he for sure was not WHITE he was a jew lol

Double post, but--

Russian, thinking the starting concepts of which control a certain event is created by god is just nitpicking through a vast amount of possibilities.

It's like saying that, hell, one of us may be controlling these numbers.

However, the most reasonable way to look at it is by saying they're not controlled, but they're completely random.

Quit pulling random ass assumptions out of your ass, especially when trying to argue.  It doesn't work that way.
I believe Russian was approaching it under the assumption that there is a God, explaining how he may control it, in response to Oasis's comment saying
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But as a Catholic/Christian, do you believe that "God" controls those? Or do you accept scientific fact that the sea is controlled by the celestial bodies, the wind, and other Earthly features?
In other words, he was responding to Oasis's question with his own belief, and explaining how it works, not arguing nor debating. To a person that believes God effects the world, yet they are pinned as science explains much about the physical world, Russian's theory (Or whomever created it) provides a rational explanation to how God effects the world, while still coinciding with scientific discoveries.


I hate when churches have pictures of Jesus for one they don't know what he looked like and 2 he for sure was not WHITE he was a jew lol
I always imagined Jesus having a olive-oil, tanned sort of skin. But that is only because I know Jesus was Italian at heart. Just look at all the wine he drank. :cookieMonster: