Religion bluh, you know you want to look.

[Night Fox]

Seriously guys.
Religion wars are handicapped, even if they've been since the start of mankind.

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[AssassinDevil2]

I dont believe in god.

[dkamm65]

Here's an excerpt from an article I found that more or less destroys the entire idea of "God's will".

The Christian believes that Man has freewill, and that God has a foreknowledge of that freewill. Meaning, Man has the will to sin, and God knows beforehand that Man will be sinning. Simply put, Man can decide whether he wants to sin or not (therefore having freewill), but God already knows that he will sin (foreknowledge). So, here, if you have not realised it already, is a big contradiction. As explained earlier, these two ideas cannot exist.

If God has a foreknowledge that Man will sin, it cannot equate to freewill simply because Man no longer has any choices to make but to sin. This means that God already knows that you will sin, and you will then be saved or not, and then go to heaven or hell (this is the Christian stand). Simply put, God knows where you will end up in the end, heaven or hell, and whatever you do, to be saved or not to be is already pre-determined because God has already decided so, or rather, foreseen. Your choice is already foretold, it’s already decided. If that is so, then what choice do you actually have? What’s the point of making the choice even?

If Man has freewill, he can then choose to not sin, but that would undermine the God’s omniscience. If Man does not sin, that would mean that God was wrong. And if God was wrong, He is not perfect. And if He is not perfect, He cannot be the God that we perceive Him to be. God will be torn down.

[Wizard]

Its hard to explain to people who don't understand meaning.  I don't believe you are educated in Christianity, because Lucifer makes people do all evil of the world, like murders, theft, rape, etc.  God tries to help those people stay away from the devil and try to lead a good and pleasant life.  God flooded the Earth because there was no hope for those people.  In a city of 500,000 there were not 10 people who weren't sinners, and because of that he killed them all.  They were homoloveual, and God doesn't like that. :/

From this I got that God seems to think that murder is justified regardless of the "crime" someone actually committed. Plus, if God is ommipotent which the bible says he is he could've just created Man with a perfect sense of morals and no desire to do any evil without impairing free will and it wouldn't because they don't have a desire, they aren't being stopped, much like you probably don't have a desire to rape old ladies.

People don't go to hell unless they don't accept God.  Like, when you are at the Gates of Heaven, speaking to St. Peter, you tell him you don't believe in God.  As long as you accept him, you can work off your sins in Purgatory.

God sends people to hell for not believing in him when there's no evidence and then not consenting to worship him forever which the bible says you'll be doing (not that you've read it) because he's a loving douche.

Already talked about this, the book is over 2000 years old and contains human error that God didn't intend to be written down.

He sure seems to have his stuff messed up a lot for an OMNIPOTENT CREATOR.

Those people of the Earth weren't innocent, they were all sinners, so he killed them all and restarted.  Oh well, don't sin.  Oh and by the way, there were two cities called Sodom and Gomorrah, and they were filled with homos.

God didn't like some people for a reason nobody really knows so he killed them all. Also the bible says we're all sinners NOW for adam, so shouldn't he be killing us. Also it's impossible to have to cities with all homoloveuals, and if that did happen it'd die off from lack of offspring in a generation anyone. Needless murder.

He blew those cities up because he is a badass.

It'd be cool if he wasn't omnipotent and supposedly benevolent.

People aren't perfect.  God gave people free will, to see if they would do the right thing, and they didn't.

He could've made up perfect and having free will because he made the laws of logic because he made the universe and he's omnipotent.

We are lucky that we got a 2nd try.

Gee, thanks Godouche.

Do you want to know what gets people convicted?  Eyewitnesses.  Like Moses, Aaron, Jesus, the 12 Apostles, all of the writers of the Old Testament, and more.

Ahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha

By the way, how old are you?  You aren't good at spelling.

He spelled everything perfectly. Nice cheapshop

Burden.Its not your job to endlessly harass people because of their faith, or at least I hope not.

DURR HURR

And learn to speak properly.  Please, its giving me a headache.

HURR DURR

Rave is right. The apocalypse is his next answer to all of this world's crap. Too bad it'll come when we all least expect it.

..Crap I type slow...

I like the world as it is thanks.

Get the forget off Furcigarette.

[Zloff]

Threads like this tear the community apart. But I'm just mumbling again. Everyone hates each other here.

I don't hate anyone. I just feel sorry for them.

[DrenDran]

By the way, how old are you?  You aren't good at spelling.

My spelling is fine, and better than most people's on these forums.


Also, if a perfect being doesn't have desire, then god should have no desire to do anything.
And thus should not have created the universe.

[_Rave_]

Wiz, I'm talking about spelling and grammar. :/
I'm not going to explain the english language to you.

The Bible isn't 100% correct, as stated before, by Man's human error.  Your life isn't predetermined, its not like God decided that you are going to forget yourself over and die in hell.  You probably did it yourself.

Also the Bible should be interpreted, not taken completely literally.

I have read the bible, by the way.  I go to Catholic High School and spent a year and a half so far reading and interpreting the scripture.

How is there no proof for the bible?  There are testimonies, which have been put together and recorded in the Old and New Testament, that say that God is real.  Theists outnumber atheists by so much, and for good reason.  You guys are generally richards.

My spelling is fine, and better than most people's on these forums.


Also, if a perfect being doesn't have desire, then god should have no desire to do anything.
And thus should not have created the universe.

Who said that perfect beings can't have desire?

[dkamm65]

How is there no proof for the bible?  There are testimonies, which have been put together and recorded in the Old and New Testament, that say that God is real.

THE BIBLE IS TRUTH CAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS SO.

[Skele]

I do not like that your quote uses detached as such, as the only way a theory would be valid is if say a marine biologist tested magnetism or something to the same effect. Everything is biased, and automatically the results change based on relativity.

As for repeatable, look at some creation theories by the Navajo. (or Anasazi, I forget). They show the world to have been created at least ten times. Its rather hard to repeat the creation of the world by the way, so you should give these guys some credit for their determination.

A theory has to be falsifiable and testable to be accepted as a scientific theory. What you are telling me is simply speculation. Anyone can speculate, but that doesn't mean it should be blindly accepted.

[Wizard]

Wiz, I'm talking about spelling and grammar. :/
I'm not going to explain the english language to you.

The Bible isn't 100% correct, as stated before, by Man's human error.  Your life isn't predetermined, its not like God decided that you are going to forget yourself over and die in hell.  You probably did it yourself.

I JUST explained that an omnipotent being wouldn't have an imperfect book or an imperfect race. Get that through your thick skull.

Also the Bible should be interpreted, not taken completely literally.

So basically you get to pick and choose what you want to believe.

I have read the bible, by the way.  I go to Catholic High School and spent a year and a half so far reading and interpreting the scripture.

"interpreting" you should probably read the bible and THINK

How is there no proof for the bible?  There are testimonies, which have been put together and recorded in the Old and New Testament, that say that God is real.  Theists outnumber atheists by so much, and for good reason.  You guys are generally richards.Who said that perfect beings can't have desire?

Testimonies for the bible in the bible. Makes perfect sense. Because theists outnumber atheists they're right? The Roman God believers used to outnumber christians, was Jupiter real then but not now? And a perfect being wouldn't have any desires because he's perfect and would instantly have anything he desired.

[Zloff]

lol'd. You just contradicted yourself.

[dkamm65]

Theists outnumber atheists by so much, and for good reason.

If we based fact on sheer number then a billion flies cannot be wrong, we would all eat stuff.

[DrenDran]

Your life isn't predetermined

Who said that perfect beings can't have desire?

1. Technically, by the laws of physics acting on the entire world, all events are predetermined chain reactions of sub atomic particles.

2. Buddhists.

[Wizard]

lol'd. You just contradicted yourself.

Oh, so you were serious and you're an idiot.

[Mr.Interceptor]

If we based fact on sheer number then a billion flies cannot be wrong, we would all eat stuff.

I remember you saying that before.